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Old 11-21-2015, 12:39 PM   #41
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Technical Service Bulletin.

Technical Service Bulletins, or TSBs, are recommended procedures for repairing vehicles. They are a form of diagnosis. Not to be confused with recalls, a TSB is issued by a vehicle manufacturer when there are several occurrences of an unanticipated problem.
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Old 11-21-2015, 01:10 PM   #42
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And its interesting how often the dealers don't mention TSBs unless you know about them and specifically ask.
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Phil Edmonston's books contain sections on TSBs and secret recalls.
He recommends you get his books at the library, but you can buy them too.

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And its interesting how often the dealers don't mention TSBs unless you know about them and specifically ask.
If a vehicle doesn't have a particular problem, or if an owner has not reported it to them, there is no reason for the dealer to mention the solution for it. If they just tell owners about every TSB, some owners may insist that the work is done - at no cost even if outside of warranty - for no good reason, just because they feel entitled.

If a vehicle is brought in with the problem addressed by the TSB, of course the dealership service department should refer to the TSB to resolve the problem.
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Phil Edmonston's books contain sections on TSBs and secret recalls.
He recommends you get his books at the library, but you can buy them too.
A printed book seems like a poor source of current information such as TSBs. There are multiple online sources, depending on the vehicle brand.
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Golly Gee thanks Brian I never would have thought of all that. I'm so glad you are here to educate us hicks!
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Old 11-21-2015, 03:20 PM   #48
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I complained and got the leaf spring upgrade on my 2010. The difference was noticible. The factory rep told me Tacoma's weren't built to tow, just to look good and have a good ride for buyers that prefer pickups over cars. Now, if they could put a small V-8 under the hood, they'd have a serious truck.

Im going to wait a year or so before I start hunting for a new one, maybe see how the new Tacoma shakes out or check out the new Nissan. Rumor is a V-8 and diesel are on the way.

The factory rep you talked to must have been "HIGH" on something.
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Phil Edmonston's books contain sections on TSBs and secret recalls.
By the way, a "secret recall" makes no sense - it would be a request to bring a product in for repair which is not communicated to anyone, so it wouldn't be a request. I assume that the intent was "secret warranty", which still doesn't quite make sense, but is intended to mean that the manufacturer will fix a specific problem at no cost, even though the warranty has expired, if an owner brings a vehicle in with that problem.

This is actually useful information - if you happen have a qualifying problem - because the dealer might ask for payment unless the owner mentions that they know that they shouldn't have to pay. I've only had one example of this, and the dealership service departent (Honda in this case) offered to do the fix (described by a TSB) and bill Honda (due to the beyond-warranty coverage offer) when the parts I was ordering suggested to them that I might have the covered problem... no consumer information service needed. Perhaps there have been other issues that I could have had fixed had I known they were covered this way.
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I complained and got the leaf spring upgrade on my 2010. The difference was noticible. The factory rep told me Tacoma's weren't built to tow, just to look good and have a good ride for buyers that prefer pickups over cars. Now, if they could put a small V-8 under the hood, they'd have a serious truck.
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The factory rep you talked to must have been "HIGH" on something.
I agree - and I suspect that it was either not a factory rep or not quite what he said. The Tacoma's biggest towing weakness is rear suspension stiffness (and that's the legitimate connection with ride), so putting more engine in it would not help at all. The cylinder count is really not important, and a big engine is not necessary for towing.

Truly serious trucks - which means not a pickup truck - have very little power compared to their own weight, let alone the weight they can haul. Very few have V8 engines - the inline six-cylinder is the nearly universal engine configuration for medium-duty and heavy-duty trucks.
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