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11-02-2015, 10:46 AM
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An aquaintance of ours purchased a 2016 Tacoma to pull his trailer (trailer weight is approx 5600 lbs) . The truck will tow the weight but the rear suspension will not take the trailer's tongue weight. When the trailer is hooked up to the truck ,the rear suspension is almost bottomed out and if he hits a bump it does bottom out. He made the mistake of believing the salesman when he bought the truck and now he is stuck with the vehicle .He is one unhappy camper.
Payload is often the issue more than tow rating
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11-02-2015, 11:18 AM
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Good point made earlier here. I never realized that the vehicles often come standard with tow packages. Would most likely explain a lot of the confusion and real world experiences with each have with similar makes of vehicles. I guess automakers just realize Canadians will envitavibly abuse our vehicles
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11-02-2015, 11:23 AM
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I even had a transmission shop mech tell me that often standard option tow packages have shift kits in the transmission. So even though it looks the same externally it behaves totally different. Have never looked or checked this out on the Internet though.
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11-02-2015, 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve dunham
An aquaintance of ours purchased a 2016 Tacoma to pull his trailer (trailer weight is approx 5600 lbs) . The truck will tow the weight but the rear suspension will not take the trailer's tongue weight. When the trailer is hooked up to the truck ,the rear suspension is almost bottomed out and if he hits a bump it does bottom out. He made the mistake of believing the salesman when he bought the truck and now he is stuck with the vehicle .He is one unhappy camper.
Payload is often the issue more than tow rating
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Would an equalizer hitch help him?
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11-02-2015, 03:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve dunham
An aquaintance of ours purchased a 2016 Tacoma to pull his trailer (trailer weight is approx 5600 lbs) . The truck will tow the weight but the rear suspension will not take the trailer's tongue weight. When the trailer is hooked up to the truck ,the rear suspension is almost bottomed out and if he hits a bump it does bottom out. He made the mistake of believing the salesman when he bought the truck and now he is stuck with the vehicle .He is one unhappy camper.
Payload is often the issue more than tow rating
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What is the tongue weight on this 5600 lb trailer, and was your friend hauling anything in the truck besides himself?
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11-02-2015, 04:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ice-breaker
What is the tongue weight on this 5600 lb trailer, and was your friend hauling anything in the truck besides himself?
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The truck was empty except for the driver. I don't know the tongue weight but I assume it was in the 15% range. My truck has a tow rating of 10,250 lbs but I would be a fool to try and tow anything near it's full rating. The dealer I bought my truck from suggested that the true tow rating of a vehicle is around 75% of the manufacturers stated tow rating . It seems tow rating numbers are driven more by the marketing dept than by fact. He evidently only looked at one number , " The Tow Rating " and ended up making the wrong choice in vehicles.
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11-02-2015, 04:24 PM
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Not knowing the tongue weight of the trailer is the first problem. Not knowing the tongue capacity of of the truck is the second problem. Rather pointless discussing this further.
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11-02-2015, 05:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve dunham
An aquaintance of ours purchased a 2016 Tacoma to pull his trailer (trailer weight is approx 5600 lbs) . The truck will tow the weight but the rear suspension will not take the trailer's tongue weight. When the trailer is hooked up to the truck ,the rear suspension is almost bottomed out and if he hits a bump it does bottom out. He made the mistake of believing the salesman when he bought the truck and now he is stuck with the vehicle .He is one unhappy camper.
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I had a Toyota Tacoma and they all need a leaf pack installed, or some airbags to handle any towing capacity. Your friend can install them himself, they are fairly easy to do. I since sold my Toyota and went back to a Ford. Now I am on the hunt for a 19 or 21.
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11-02-2015, 05:47 PM
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Older Tacos had a TSB to have an additional leaf spring installed at no charge; the newer ones work fine as long as you observe the tongue weight limits although a WDH helps somewhat.
If you don't comply with the hitch limit specs you can certainly have an issue. It's just physics, not rocket science!
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11-02-2015, 08:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by refokus
I had a Toyota Tacoma and they all need a leaf pack installed, or some airbags to handle any towing capacity. Your friend can install them himself, they are fairly easy to do. I since sold my Toyota and went back to a Ford. Now I am on the hunt for a 19 or 21.
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We had to install helper springs right away . It was a shock you couldn't put much in the bed of truck . It was a long bed . That made a difference . You couldn't kill the truck though it keep going and going . Pat
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11-02-2015, 08:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
We had to install helper springs right away . It was a shock you couldn't put much in the bed of truck . It was a long bed . That made a difference . You couldn't kill the truck though it keep going and going . Pat
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My 2013 long bed 4dr, 4x4 taco does fine with my 21. I also fill the bed with all kinds of stuff for camping.
Factory tow package - don't know if that includes rear suspension difference, though.
And I live at the end of mile long gravel potholed hilly road!
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11-02-2015, 08:27 PM
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Problem is there is a difference between 'tow prep package' and 'tow package' and some is standard in Canada and optional in US.
Confusion reigns.
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11-07-2015, 10:34 AM
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I've been pricing and looking at 2016 Tacoma details and apparently they now have incorporated sway control as part of the tow package. (US version)
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11-07-2015, 10:59 AM
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Sway control is just another way of saying that there is one rear shock mounted forward of the axel and one mounted rear of the axel . simple but effective .
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11-07-2015, 11:06 AM
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Brochure says: 29. Trailer-Sway Control (TSC) is an electronic system designed to help the driver maintain vehicle control under adverse conditions. It is not a substitute for safe driving practices. Factors including speed, road conditions and driver steering input can all affect whether TSC will be effective in preventing a loss of control. Please see your Owner’s Manual for further details.
And manual says: ■ Trailer Sway Control (vehicles with towing hitch and 7 pin connector)
Helps the driver to control trailer sway by selectively applying brake pressure for individual wheels and reducing engine torque when trailer sway is detected.
Trailer Sway Control is part of the VSC system and will not operate if VSC is turned off or experiences a malfunction.
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11-07-2015, 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Devil Dog
Sway control is just another way of saying that there is one rear shock mounted forward of the axel and one mounted rear of the axel . simple but effective .
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That was called "stagger-mounted shocks" and actually uses as a selling point by some manufacturers (Ford, as I recall). In practice, I think they just found it easy and cheap to use the same bracket for mounting the shock to the axle on both sides
As thoer explained, that's not what Toyota means in this case.
Extending the tow vehicle's standard (required by U.S. regulations) electronic stability control logic (VSC is Toyota's term for this) to respond to trailer swaying motions is pretty common now - I would be surprised if any newly redesigned vehicle now with significant towing capacity would be missing this feature.
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11-21-2015, 01:14 AM
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This is the 2016 Tacoma's owners manual .
http://s3.amazonaws.com/toyota.site....U/OM04005U.pdf
Brake control plug in is on page 178 can't figure where to mount it ? The wire is under the dash .
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11-21-2015, 08:03 AM
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On my 2008 model, I removed the small storage door just to the right of the steering column and put the brake controller there - any place like that on the 2016? Looks like there is a small cubby on the left side - can the back of that maybe be cut out to fit the controller in there?
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11-21-2015, 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tractors1
Older Tacos had a TSB to have an additional leaf spring installed at no charge; the newer ones work fine as long as you observe the tongue weight limits although a WDH helps somewhat.
If you don't comply with the hitch limit specs you can certainly have an issue. It's just physics, not rocket science!
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I complained and got the leaf spring upgrade on my 2010. The difference was noticible. The factory rep told me Tacoma's weren't built to tow, just to look good and have a good ride for buyers that prefer pickups over cars. Now, if they could put a small V-8 under the hood, they'd have a serious truck.
Im going to wait a year or so before I start hunting for a new one, maybe see how the new Tacoma shakes out or check out the new Nissan. Rumor is a V-8 and diesel are on the way.
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11-21-2015, 11:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tractors1
Older Tacos had a TSB to have an additional leaf spring installed at no charge; the newer ones work fine as long as you observe the tongue weight limits although a WDH helps somewhat.
If you don't comply with the hitch limit specs you can certainly have an issue. It's just physics, not rocket science!
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whats a TSB?
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