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Old 08-21-2018, 06:01 PM   #1
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Question 2018 Honda Odyssey to tow a 17'B?

Hi everybody, I am planning to use my 2018 Honda Odyssey EX-L to tow a Escape 17'B. The vehicle has factory tow package installed and rated at 3000lbs/300lbs. I would like to hear any advice on that. If anybody had the experience of towing with a minivan, please give me some heads up. Thanks ahead.
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:08 PM   #2
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The GVWR for the 17 is 4000#, so you may have a problem.
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The published dry weight on a manufacturers website can be misleading. Remember that this weight is for a completely stock trailer with no options of any kind, unloaded and dry - just as it came off the factory floor. There's a spreadsheet that Jon Vermilye maintains called "Trailer Weights In The Real World", and it can be enlightening. I've seen Escape 17Bs range from 2700 lbs on the lighest end, up to 3400 lbs on the heaviest end. Also, the 2nd generation Escapes are slightly heavier than this.

http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls

I would personally not tow a 17B without at least 3500 lbs of towing capacity, but 4000 would be better. Keep in mind also that it's not just towing capacity that is of concern. There's GVWR, GCWR and the all important payload capacity of your tow as well.

You will see lots of advice on RV forums about all this - some of it good, some of it bad, and some that is downright dangerous. It's never a good idea to exceed the published capacities, even if others claim they can do it "no problem".
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:19 PM   #4
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The GVWR for the 17 is 4000#, so you may have a problem.
Thanks for the quick reply.
The total dry weight for 17'B is 2400lbs. I am thinking to load no more than 600lbs to keep the whole GVWR under 3000lbs. Is that practical? The reason I seem to want to push the Odyssey to the limit is I really want to thoroughly consider all the possibilities before I have to buy a new tow vehicle.
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:23 PM   #5
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The published dry weight on a manufacturers website can be misleading. Remember that this weight is for a completely stock trailer with no options of any kind, unloaded and dry - just as it came off the factory floor. There's a spreadsheet that Jon Vermilye maintains called "Trailer Weights In The Real World", and it can be enlightening. I've seen Escape 17Bs range from 2700 lbs on the lighest end, up to 3400 lbs on the heaviest end. Also, the 2nd generation Escapes are slightly heavier than this.

http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls

I would personally not tow a 17B without at least 3500 lbs of towing capacity, but 4000 would be better. Keep in mind also that it's not just towing capacity that is of concern. There's GVWR, GCWR and the all important payload capacity of your tow as well.

You will see lots of advice on RV forums about all this - some of it good, some of it bad, and some that is downright dangerous. It's never a good idea to exceed the published capacities, even if others claim they can do it "no problem".
I totally understand what you were talk about. After I saw everything about this place in London, Ontario called Can Am RV centre. They sounds different.
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Thanks for the quick reply.
The total dry weight for 17'B is 2400lbs. I am thinking to load no more than 600lbs to keep the whole GVWR under 3000lbs. Is that practical? The reason I seem to want to push the Odyssey to the limit is I really want to thoroughly consider all the possibilities before I have to buy a new tow vehicle.
A clarification. GVWR isn't what your trailer weighs loaded, it's the maximum weight rating of the trailer and contents. In other words, a 17B should never weigh more than 4000 lbs. It's actually quite easy to get a 17B up close to the 4K maximum, once you add options such as a larger fridge, or solar, or dual 6V batteries, and are carrying a tank of water, camping gear, and food for example.

If you plan on a 17B with zero options, totally stock, and plan to load no more than 600 lbs into it, it would theoretically weigh less than 3000 lbs, and your Odyssey would be within the published capacity. Cutting it too close for my blood.
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I tow my 17B with a RAV4 with 3,500 lb. tow / 350 lb. tongue capacity. Have been using the combo for 10 years with no problem, but, it I were replacing my RAV4, I'd move up to a vehicle with 5,000 lb. tow / 500 lb. tongue.
I'd do so for the extra margin and to put less stress on the tow vehicle.

Of course, I'd then have to buy a 19' to restore the equilibrium.
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:01 PM   #8
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The total dry weight for 17'B is 2400lbs. I am thinking to load no more than 600lbs to keep the whole GVWR under 3000lbs. Is that practical?
My own trailer runs about 600 to 700 pounds over the dry and empty weight when travelling, so this can be practical... but the 600 pounds would have to cover:
  • all options
  • all water/waste and fuel (propane)
  • everything you carry in the trailer
That's either a very basic trailer, or a very lean packing job, or some combination.

The greater problem would likely be that even at 3000 pounds loaded, the tongue weight of an Escape 17' will likely exceed 300 pounds.
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After I saw everything about this place in London, Ontario called Can Am RV centre. They sounds different.
Can Am RV blatantly exceeds tow vehicle limits, and have granted themselves permission to do so based on their own inflated view of the abilities, and the piles of towing equipment which they want to sell you. I would take any statements from them with an abundance of caution.
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A couple of experiences of experiences to inform your decision:


1. I have towed a pop up trailer with a borderline tow vehicle (met all the numbers but little margin). I did it for 1-3 hours from my house, and while it was safe it inspired no confidence and even the temperature gauge regularly reminded me I was borderline.


2. I then towed with that 3.5L engine and a Honda Odyssey. I love that van and still own it. We towed a 13' Scamp (~2000 lbs?) with kids in the van all over the USA. It was satisfactory and we had a great time. I could maintain 45mph always on freeways with high revs in the mountains and usually much better than that. On some steep smaller roads it was more questionable. On one steep road, I could not even get out of first gear no matter what I did with the gas pedal.


I considered a 17' with Odyssey but the Odyssey didn't have enough power and tow capability. I prefer 55mph always on a highway and 30mph minimum power on steep back roads into national parks. I didn't want a heavier trailer and the associated less performance than the 13' scamp. So we went with a bigger tow vehicle (and a bigger trailer). We just put on 7500 miles on the last trip and are very happy with our decision.



Good luck and I hope you build great memories. YMMV.
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