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Old 09-16-2015, 05:45 PM   #11
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We don't have 4WD. We chose not to simply because the fuel economy and the reliability of the FWD model is slightly better. We rarely drive on roads with a bad surface so we didn't feel like we needed it. But if I was to do it over again, I would probably get the All wheel drive model.

We have 270 HP. One of the great mysteries of towing ratings (at least for me) is why the Highlander has a 5000 lb towing capacity and the Sienna mini-van only has 3500 lb towing capacity. both of them have the same engine and transmission. Maybe it has to do with the softer suspension in the minivan.

We have an Andersen WDH -- even though the Toyota Manual says we don't need a WDH. It is also an anti-sway device. My towing experience has been good. The trailer and the car seem to be a single unit, and I think there is less bounce on rough roads than we had with our previous trailer and a conventional WDH. But it is really hard to compare since we have only used the Andersen Hitch with this trailer.

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Thanks Leon. Very helpful.

:-)

And I think suspension / drivetrain / frame all factor into tow #'s.

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Old 09-16-2015, 09:10 PM   #12
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We currently own a 17' Casita and tow it with a 4 wheel drive (2011) Acura MDX with tow package. It is rated for 5,000 lbs tow weight, and 500 lb tongue weight.
We use a Prodigy P2 proportional brake controller, Kurt 17,000 WDH and a sway bar.

Our current rig is rock solid. We easily cruise up over mountains at 55 mph (or maybe 50 mph for the very steepest grades) without high RPMs.

On the interstate when an 18 wheeler blows past us at 75 mph there isn't even a shudder.

The dry weight of our Casita is 2,480 lbs. My research of threads on the Casita forum indicates that the average wet weight is 3,230 lbs with a
hitch weight of 420 lbs. (average of numerous actual wet weights of similar 17' Casitas)

No I have never weighed our rig wet, but we tend to travel light.... And we don't tow long distances with full clean, grey or black tanks.

We are hoping to upgrade to a 21′ Escape.

It has a dry weight of 3,050lbs plus the approximately 300 lbs of options and accessories we will add.

We will travel fully loaded (for how we travel) more likely just slightly above 4,000 lbs wet.

We do NOT want to upgrade our tug. It is not an option.

We have are sadly far from retirement age, so we make two trips a year with a total of about 2 weeks out, and 4 days of driving total.

I know the Escape 21' has a larger, flatter front and so it is less aerodynamic than our 17' Casita.

I would buy an appropriate hitch scale to make sure we never got over 500 lbs.

I know that it is best to have a safety margin (and to not tow at capacity)

My question is - considering all our variables - are we crazy to follow thru with this upgrade?

I know there will be varying opinions, but I am all ears. :-)

Thanks.

There are a few owners on this site who tow with a Honda Ridgeline which has the same engine and towing capacity as the MDX and have been towing 21's without any difficulty. We towed 4,000 miles home from Chilliwack with a Ridgeline without difficulty. It was actually amazing how well it towed. We also try to keep everything on the light side. That said, we're probably going to go with more towing capacity when it's time to replace the Ridgeline just to be on the safe side.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:39 PM   #13
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... we tow our 21 with a Toyota Highlander...
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.. you probably have 270 HP...
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For what it's worth, my Toyota RAV4 V6 has 269HP.
Yes - the Highlander V6 (in recent years) and RAV4 V6 (when it was offered) have the same engine. For trivia fans that's Toyota's 2GR-FE.

The 2016 Tacoma's "all new" engine is probably a variant of the same engine, the 2GR-FXE from the Lexus GS450h.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:58 PM   #14
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One of the great mysteries of towing ratings (at least for me) is why the Highlander has a 5000 lb towing capacity and the Sienna mini-van only has 3500 lb towing capacity. both of them have the same engine and transmission.
Although the engine and transmission may be the same (I would have to check on the transmission) ability to handle sustained load is limited by cooling capacity, and two vehicles with the same drivetrain often have different cooling capacity.

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And I think suspension / drivetrain / frame all factor into tow #'s.
Yes, it may be suspension - the Highlander and Sienna are completely different in this respect. It may be as simple as rear tires: the Highlander has fashionably large tires, while the Sienna has more reasonably sized rubber. In my year (2004) the Sienna's tires were a bit smaller than they are now, and the rear axle capacity was limited by them, even with the tire inflation pressure specified at the tire's maximum. It could be structure, since the two vehicles are entirely different in the rear.

I think Toyota is concerned about potential rear axle overload by people who fill its cavernous interior with passengers and cargo, and don't weigh anything... so they limit hitch weight to 350 pounds (525 pounds with WD), and that in turn limits the trailer weight to 3500 pounds (using a 10% hitch weight rule).
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:55 PM   #15
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For whatever it is worth, we tow our 21 with a Toyota Highlander -- 5000 lbs towing capacity. We have about 15,000 miles towing and 5000 non-towing miles on the car. We picked up the trailer in Chilliwack, and came home through Lake Louise, Banff and Glacier. Then spring we went to Big Bend National Park, returning via Raton Pass. Last spring it was back to Chilliwack via the Kootenay mountains and then home via Lolo Pass.

We never felt underpowered, nor did we ever feel any sway or lack of control. We went up all the hills as fast as I wanted to go. When we returned we took the car in for its 15000 mile checkup. Brake wear was normal and everything else looked good.

I know that lots of people believe that we should have more power, or that the Highlander will wear out prematurely. They may be right, but so far I am happy with our choice of tow vehicle (except for the Highlander's inability to carry two bikes inside the vehicle).

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We just purchased a Toyota Highlander AWD V6 3 days ago in anticipation of picking up our 19 foot Escape in June. Your message has certainly made us feel a lot better about our choice. Thanks Leon.
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Your bird and wildlife photography on your blog is the nicest I have ever seen!
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Len and Dian,
Your bird and wildlife photography on your blog is the nicest I have ever seen!
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Old 12-08-2015, 10:05 PM   #18
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We just purchased a Toyota Highlander AWD V6 3 days ago in anticipation of picking up our 19 foot Escape in June. Your message has certainly made us feel a lot better about our choice. Thanks Leon.
We have a 2012 Highlander set up with the standard Escape Trailer Industries hitch, all wheel drive. The vehicle is 3 yrs and & 8 mos. old has 108,000 miles on it and has towed our 19 about 25,000 miles with flawless reliability. Mobil 1 oil, religious change intervals, Michelin LTX tires, about 14.5 mpg towing, 22.5 not towing. I believe you'll enjoy the Highlander. I don't pound it but have put in some 500 mile days averaging 60 mph. When I have to get somewhere it's hammer down but most days about 300 to 350 miles. Best of Luck
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Old 12-08-2015, 10:47 PM   #19
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We have a 2012 Highlander set up with the standard Escape Trailer Industries hitch, all wheel drive. The vehicle is 3 yrs and & 8 mos. old has 108,000 miles on it and has towed our 19 about 25,000 miles with flawless reliability. Mobil 1 oil, religious change intervals, Michelin LTX tires, about 14.5 mpg towing, 22.5 not towing. I believe you'll enjoy the Highlander. I don't pound it but have put in some 500 mile days averaging 60 mph. When I have to get somewhere it's hammer down but most days about 300 to 350 miles. Best of Luck
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Great info. Thanks Dave.
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Old 12-09-2015, 10:06 AM   #20
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We have a 2012 Highlander set up with the standard Escape Trailer Industries hitch, all wheel drive. The vehicle is 3 yrs and & 8 mos. old has 108,000 miles on it and has towed our 19 about 25,000 miles with flawless reliability. Mobil 1 oil, religious change intervals, Michelin LTX tires, about 14.5 mpg towing, 22.5 not towing. I believe you'll enjoy the Highlander. I don't pound it but have put in some 500 mile days averaging 60 mph. When I have to get somewhere it's hammer down but most days about 300 to 350 miles. Best of Luck
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Dave - good to hear from you on this. We MAY be getting a 21 this spring and I'm starting to seriously consider trading in or selling our 2008 Tacoma (with only 45K miles and excellent condition it is still worth far more than I thought). The new Highlander seems like the direction I'm currently leaning. I have to recheck my quick mental calculations, but it looks like the 2016 Highlander has as much cargo capacity than the 2016 Tacoma, but I need to look at that more closely.
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