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Old 08-21-2018, 04:54 PM   #1
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A diet is in order.....

.... for both me and my 5.0TA

I finally got around to weighing it at a small self serve roadside scale. I had a half tank of fresh water and empty black and grey tanks. We had lots of food and lots of drinks in the trailer. Man, carrying in the food to the house I was blown away with the weight of food we had. Might also look at picking up beer along the way as opposed to carrying quite a few dozen. Is 6 bottles of Scotch too much? I think not.

Anyway, here are the numbers.

Axles hitched scale weights
F - 1560 kg
R - 1570 kg
T - 2250 kg or
Total - 5380 kg or 11,836 lb

Axles unhitched scale weights
F- 1520 kg
R- 1260 kg
Total truck weight - 2780 kg or 6116 lb

Truck hitched - 3130 kg
Truck unhitched - 2780 kg
Hitch weight - 350 kg or 77 lb

So, the total weight of the trailer is 5720 lbs, of which 770 lbs is the hitch weight, and 4950 lbs is the axle weight. Is the GVWR of 55 lbs listed by Escape for the trailer the overall weight (I kinda assume it is), or is it the weight the axles are rated to carry. If the former, I am 220 lbs over, and with the latter, 55 lbs under.

There are two 3500 lb axles, so that would seem to be fine weight wise.

There really is nothing more to add weight wise to the trailer, any additional stuff we would take would go in the truck, and we could easily move or remove some weight in the trailer.

Maybe I need to try another weigh scale.

Thoughts and opinions as always are appreciated.
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Old 08-21-2018, 05:35 PM   #2
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I agree that the 5500 GVWR is the trailer weight including the pin. Since you did so much cabinetry work did you get an empty weight after your work to compare? Do you think it is accurate to say you have 1000 lbs or more of stuff in the trailer?

Maybe you should stop collecting souvenir rocks?
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:04 PM   #3
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I agree that the 5500 GVWR is the trailer weight including the pin. Since you did so much cabinetry work did you get an empty weight after your work to compare? Do you think it is accurate to say you have 1000 lbs or more of stuff in the trailer?

Maybe you should stop collecting souvenir rocks?
This is the first I have weighed the trailer. There is no way I added more than a couple hundred pounds over what the factory install would be with the cabinetry work. I do estimate the cargo box to weigh about 400 lbs loaded. We do have to look at how much "stuff" we take, especially with consumables that can be refreshed more often.

What I may do when I have time (whenever that will be), is to totally unload the trailer and see what the weight is.

I don't have many rocks, but I do have a bocce set, and it is heavy.
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Forgot to add, I suspect ETI is setting the GVWR based on the frame. That is just a guess on my part though. Obviously the axles can handle more weight.
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Forgot to add, I suspect ETI is setting the GVWR based on the frame. That is just a guess on my part though. Obviously the axles can handle more weight.
I am guessing that too. I might just send Reace a query on this.
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So, the total weight of the trailer is 5720 lbs, of which 770 lbs is the hitch weight, and 4950 lbs is the axle weight. Is the GVWR of [5500] lbs listed by Escape for the trailer the overall weight (I kinda assume it is), or is it the weight the axles are rated to carry. If the former, I am 220 lbs over, and with the latter, 55 lbs under.
The 5500 pound value is certainly Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (so you are overweight, as you assumed), not the total Gross Axle Weight Rating.

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There are two 3500 lb axles, so that would seem to be fine weight wise.
It's good to avoid loading tandem Torflex axles to their ratings because they don't share load equally over bumps, and don't even on flat ground unless the trailer frame is completely level... but still, there's lots of margin there.
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Just remove all the adult beverages from the trailer Jim. That'll shed at least 500 lbs. Won't be much fun however.

Seriously though, perhaps things like the Dickinson Marine Oven and the rear storage box have added more than you thought?
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This is the first I have weighed the trailer. There is no way I added more than a couple hundred pounds over what the factory install would be with the cabinetry work. I do estimate the cargo box to weigh about 400 lbs loaded.
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The stock base empty dry weight is listed by Escape as 3885 pounds, but then there are options (which all add weight) and customizations (perhaps a reduction due to your stripped cabinetry)... then your added cabinetry, cargo box, cargo, half-tank of water, propane, and possibly propane tanks (don't know if they are included in base/dry/empty).

So
  • empty trailer: 3885 lb +options -omitted cabinetry +custom cabinets
  • cargo box (loaded): 400 lb
  • half tank fresh water: 112 lb (assuming 28 gallon spec is in U.S. gallons)
  • water heater tank contents: 48 lb
  • propane: 40 lb (assuming full)
... which is 4685 pounds so far (without considering options or cargo not in the box), assuming that the net cabinetry effect is +200 pounds. 5720 pounds is still a half-ton away.

Did Escape provide an as-built weight for your trailer, with your options and customizations? Is there a carrying capacity statement?

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What I may do when I have time (whenever that will be), is to totally unload the trailer and see what the weight is.)
That will be interesting. I assume you didn't weigh it when you picked it up.

Jim, you asked for thoughts and opinions. My first thought is that it's not a huge surprise, and my opinion is that while some leaner choices are in order, it's not likely a significant problem.
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Do not forget that really nice stove/oven combo. Using the 5800 lbs number and with 6 healthy adults inside he could approach the axle maximum.
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