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Old 10-10-2016, 10:48 AM   #11
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A lot of the places we camp have no water or dump site, hence traveling with full to some extent tanks happens often. Mines a 5th wheel, but my pin weight can vary by a couple hundred pounds depending on how things are loaded, mostly the holding tanks. Yes, I've had it weighed.

My fresh is behind the axle, the grey and black in front of it. The pin weight gets heavier the longer you camp without any hookups.

If you are a full hookup campground camper, as many are, then this would not be an issue.
No tanks at all- no bath, no sink, not an issue. But I agree- and I suspect partially full tanks affect handling, too.
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:20 PM   #12
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Bobbie, yes no tanks at all will make it easier for you to keep the load down and well distributed. I think a 10% tongue weight is very safe with a properly loaded Escape.

Bob, as you say sometimes it is nearly impossible to not travel some distance with full or partially full waste tanks. We've often used Sanidumps: RV Dumps, Sani Station, Dump Points comprehensive directory or one of the apps like Sanidump and try to find the closest one.

We always travel with a bucket and if we are camping somewhere with no dump station nearby, I get some of my exercise in walking a couple bucket loads of grey water to the pit toilet each day. A Ranger at Yellowstone taught me that trick.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:48 PM   #13
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Bobbie, yes no tanks at all will make it easier for you to keep the load down and well distributed. I think a 10% tongue weight is very safe with a properly loaded Escape.
Yes, that was the plan. I have a completely unused sink in the Campster, and am fine with a Porta potti (which can also be emptied easily into a pit toilet) and like to keep things simple (once they are set up, anyway.) I figure once I arrange where everything should go I can just keep it that way.
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Old 10-10-2016, 04:41 PM   #14
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Brian, I agree, but would point out that by design (with the exception of LP tanks and batteries) Escape trailers already have most significant weigh well distributed between both sides and clustered near the axle(s). The axle(s) are far enough behind the center to aid stability. Reace deserves a lot of credit for designing trailers with a lot of inherent stability.
I agree, but those last few features (lots of battery and propane weight far forward on the tongue, battery hung on the back) are not readily changed and so - with the other major masses already in good places - stability at much less than 10% tongue weight isn't going to happen just by careful cargo loading.

Of all the models, the 15 Foot has the least favourable axle location for stability - very different from the 17 Foot, which is essentially a 15 Foot with the extra length added ahead of the axle.

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In my opinion, traveling with full fresh and waste tanks should be avoided; heavier items should be stored in cabinets nearest the axles and as low as possible, and lighter items (clothes, bedding, etc) stored in front and rear cabinets.
The black waste tank in any model is ahead of the axle and reasonably close to the centre of mass, so load in it should not be a stability concern at all. Grey waste tank location varies, but is generally close to the centre of mass. The fresh water tank is another matter: while not at either extreme end of the trailer, it is behind the axle(s) in all models, and so load in it can decrease stability. My current trailer is also arranged this way.

Of course with no tanks this isn't relevant to Bobbie's situation.

I definitely agree with the cargo loading recommendations.
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:27 PM   #15
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Of course with no tanks this isn't relevant to Bobbie's situation.........
Doesn't the 15A have a fresh water tank? I have a 17A, and the 20 gal. fresh water tank is immediately behind the axle. I would expect the 15 layout to be the same. From the axle to the rear, the layout appears to identical, with the dinette on a raised section over the water tank.
It does not affect towing to a significant degree that I can detect. I've towed with it full, and then partially full when returning home; no problem/no sway. Of course, the 17 has 12 feet between the coupler and the axle. The 15 should be 10 ft.
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Old 10-10-2016, 06:34 PM   #16
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Doesn't the 15A have a fresh water tank?
Normally, yes. But the OP says he has no sink either so I think that would preclude having a fresh-water tank.
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If you have fresh water, would you not also have a grey tank?
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No tanks at all- no bath, no sink, not an issue.
Missed this minor detail....
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Normally, yes. But the OP says he has no sink either so I think that would preclude having a fresh-water tank.
Thanks, Karen, for that catch.
So, the inside is frig., stove, "big" counter, big & little dinettes?
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If you have fresh water, would you not also have a grey tank?
Glenn,
Our 17A has 20 gal. fresh water, a kitchen sink, and then.....
a hose connection on the exterior, at the end of the sink drain, to connect to our
handy-dandy grey water 5 gal. (ex-paint) bucket.
Edit: I looked for a photo, but apparently none have been taken of that important feature!
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