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08-09-2013, 09:41 PM
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I know Anderson makes a greaseless ball with nylon caps. Could that be what Anderson supplies now with their WDH. You certainly wouldn't want to have the grease run down the ball and contaminate that cone. That could cause reall problems.
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08-09-2013, 10:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Popcorn-Billy
I know Anderson makes a greaseless ball with nylon caps. Could that be what Anderson supplies now with their WDH.
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They do make greaseless balls, but their web page for the No-Sway product shows a normal plated steel ball.
Since the coupler moves little on the ball (just rotates in pitch and roll, not yaw), my guess is that they don't see a need for either grease or a nylon-capped ball.
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08-09-2013, 10:41 PM
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Brian B-P,
That sounds right to me.
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08-10-2013, 06:50 AM
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The Andersen ball is not greased, that would defeat the sway functionality.
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08-10-2013, 10:55 AM
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Below is a photo of the ball of the hitch.
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08-10-2013, 11:13 AM
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The red stuff you see is friction material that as pressure is exerted down from the tongue makes turning the ball harder, thus this becomes your sway control.
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08-10-2013, 12:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The Andersen ball is not greased, that would defeat the sway functionality.
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Would it? The sway control appears to act on the bottom of the ball/cone and all the ball does is provide a point to apply vertical pressure down on the cone. I would think its function in sway control would be minimal.
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08-10-2013, 12:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The Andersen ball is not greased, that would defeat the sway functionality.
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No, assuming we're talking about the actual ball-shaped part where the coupler bears against it, because...
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The sway control appears to act on the bottom of the ball/cone and all the ball does is provide a point to apply vertical pressure down on the cone.
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The sway-controlling friction is between the cone and the hitch head. No friction between ball and coupler is required.
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08-10-2013, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Popcorn-Billy
I would think its function in sway control would be minimal.
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It actually is very strong. In the cone, there is actually a large surface of "brake" material in contact with the ball. When I push down with one hand, it is almost impossible to turn on the triangle with the other. I purposely tried a few maneuvers that I knew generated a minimal amount of sway normally, and it completely eliminated the sway. Too be honest though, I had very little sway before, the only real time was a bit when I put the bikes on the back, and had not shifted other gear forward to establish a proper tongue weight.
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08-10-2013, 01:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Popcorn-Billy
I would think its function in sway control would be minimal.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
It actually is very strong...
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Indeed, the system's sway control friction is quite strong. Bill was saying that the function of friction between the ball and coupler is minimal, and I agree.
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08-10-2013, 01:09 PM
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Jim,
I was referring to the friction between the coupler and the ball. I'm aware the vertical pressure applied generates friction between the cone-brake lining material and the conical hole in the ball mount. All I was saying is that the ball applies the pressure to the cone shaped brake and that friction's resistance to motion is carried via the yoke on the bottom which provide a lever arm against which the chains act in providing sway control. The ball provides downward pressure to the anti-sway system only and doesn't provide friction in and of itself. I'm not sure the nylon capped Anderson balls would be up the the vertical pressure.
It's a wonderfully simple system.
Keeping the coupler clean and rust may get tedious, since many of us are used to having grease in there prohibiting water from getting to the metal. Whatever rust inhibitor one uses better not be runny.
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08-10-2013, 01:34 PM
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Ahhh...gotcha. Yeah, the coupling has really nothing to do with sway.
Last weekend I used my F250 to tow the trailer, as I needed a lot of tools that were in it. Had to grease the ball, and now will have to clean the coupler up again to use with the Andersen hitch and the Pilot.
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08-10-2013, 02:05 PM
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Let's make sure we are on the same page, the ball is on the hitch, coupler is on the trailer, when hooked up and chains tightened there is no movement between the ball and coupler, they are one unit now.. The ball however is free to turn within the hitch, as when making turns around corners. The pink matter makes it harder to turn the ball within the hitch, the more downward pressure from the tongue makes the ball less apt to turn within the hitch, this is anti-sway action.
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08-10-2013, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Let's make sure we are on the same page, the ball is on the hitch, coupler is on the trailer, when hooked up and chains tightened there is no movement between the ball and coupler, they are one unit now.. The ball however is free to turn within the hitch, as when making turns around corners. The pink matter makes it harder to turn the ball within the hitch, the more downward pressure from the tongue makes the ball less apt to turn within the hitch, this is anti-sway action.
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All correct in my books, Jim. Just a bit confused by what you mean by 'pink matter'. The ball is solid steel, and the inside cone area on the hitch had the black brake lining material that can be replace.
edit: I just saw the red lining in the photo above. It must be they have different colours, as mine is most definitely black, as shown in this photo of theirs.
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08-10-2013, 02:20 PM
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The pink/red brake material matter seen in post #125
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08-10-2013, 02:23 PM
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Was yours pink or red, Jim? Or were you just looking at it through rose-coloured glasses.
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08-10-2013, 02:25 PM
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Yep! That's the theory. It's probably black but shown on Anderson's website as hot pink to let's you know where it is, by way of explanation.
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08-10-2013, 03:55 PM
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Mine was black......
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08-10-2013, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Was yours pink or red, Jim? Or were you just looking at it through rose-coloured glasses.
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My wife want's hot pink, do I need to call Kim and specify that on my build sheet?
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08-10-2013, 04:01 PM
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get 2, one hot pink for when she tows and the other for the man cave
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