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Old 08-03-2016, 10:51 AM   #31
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It took me until I was 22 to make the same realization.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:59 AM   #32
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Last piece of financial advice I gave my daughter is, "whatever I say you should do, do the opposite".
So, they went ahead and paid over asking for a condo and it was worth $50,000 more than that when they got possession.
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:18 AM   #33
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Last piece of financial advice I gave my daughter is, "whatever I say you should do, do the opposite".
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That advice applies to taking advice from financial "experts" most of the time too. At least about stock market "predictions"
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Old 08-03-2016, 03:13 PM   #34
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When considering tow ratings, the manufacturers now use a standard called J2807, which specifies that the vehicle have a 150 lb driver and a 150 lb passenger and be able to maintain 40mph up a particular grade.

If you have only that amount of weight on board and are comfortable going 40mph up significant grades then you can go by that tow rating. If you have more in your tow vehicle or want to go a little faster, then you need to more tow capability. Very few people say they think they have too much power.
The only problem with this is that the grade climbing performance is a minimum standard, and only one of many tests in J2807. A vehicle may be much faster up the grade than required with the rated load, but is prevented from having a higher rating due to one of the other tests, or some other factor not even covered in J2807.

It is common for two vehicles to have the same engine - and so the same maximum speed pulling the same load up a grade - but different towing ratings. For instance, there are multiple Toyota models with the same engine, but different capacities. A current Sienna is just as fast up a grade with a 3500 pound trailer (its maximum allowed) as a current Highlander, but the Highlander is rated for 5000 pounds; the higher rating does not indicate any better grade-climbing performance.

Another illustration of "rating does not indicate performance" is that a vehicle can have similar trailer ratings with two different engines, because both a limited by something such as transmission durability or rear suspension capacity, but one engine is much more powerful and will allow much faster grade climbing. This effect occurs mostly in pickup trucks.

Whenever you see trailer weight ratings that happen to match the weight limits of industry standard classes of trailer (2000 pounds, 3500 pounds, or 5000 pounds for classes 1, 2, and 3), it is safe to assume that the rating does not correspond to the maximum trailer weight with which the vehicle can pass the J2807 tests.
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:19 PM   #35
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No experience towing an Escape yet, but I'm hoping for 19 mpg (US) with the Touareg TDI and 17B. That would give me 494 miles of range (450 comfortably) with the 26 gallon tank (US). I think it's doable, but we will see.

Other comparables are the Jeep Grand Cherokee TDI and Colorado/Canyon 2.8 Duramax. Other threads have already discussed this but I don't think anyone has any actual MPG numbers yet.

As others have said, MPG is not the primary concern for most people so you need to match the vehicle to your other non-towing uses and usually buy for that. In the end there isn't a huge difference in $ between 14 MPG and 19, so get what works best for you all around.
I have a 2016 Touareg TDI+ 17B and the last long trip from Vancouver Island via the Escape rally to Alberta return my average over >3000 km, nearly all towing was 11.1 liters/100 km. 21.2 mpg US, 25.4 mpg imperial. There's lots of climbing on that trip including 2 crossings of the Rockies. I thought that was pretty decent.
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:06 PM   #36
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I have a 2016 Touareg TDI+ 17B and the last long trip from Vancouver Island via the Escape rally to Alberta return my average over >3000 km, nearly all towing was 11.1 liters/100 km. 21.2 mpg US, 25.4 mpg imperial. There's lots of climbing on that trip including 2 crossings of the Rockies. I thought that was pretty decent.
I should say so. The Touareg has the best towing mileage of any vehicle I've seen so far -- bar none. Of course, many aren't willing to shell out 50k for good towing mileage.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:39 PM   #37
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I should say so. The Touareg has the best towing mileage of any vehicle I've seen so far -- bar none. Of course, many aren't willing to shell out 50k for good towing mileage.
Probably more than that, and they aren't available anymore due to Dieselgate. 2017's might become available if we are lucky. 2018's will be the last year for them most likely as VW has said that it will be very difficult to meet the 2019 emission requirements and from what I've been reading they probably won't even try.
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You're probably right Ron. Barring some new revolution in engine design, we'll see fewer and fewer capable and truly efficient tow vehicles that can still meet the ever more stringent emissions standards.
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Old 08-04-2016, 01:38 PM   #39
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Selecting the best tow vehicle seems to me to be a pretty easy decision with really only one correct solution. The FJ Cruiser is the one. Unfortunately they are no longer sold new in North America but there are still some good used ones out there.
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Old 08-04-2016, 01:46 PM   #40
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Selecting the best tow vehicle seems to me to be a pretty easy decision with really only one correct solution. The FJ Cruiser is the one. Unfortunately they are no longer sold new in North America but there are still some good used ones out there.
And it has the highest residual value of any vehicle sold in the last 3 years. There were tons of them at Overland Expo West 2016. One of the vendors we spoke to had one that he estimated was about 1,000 lbs over GVWR with all the stuff he put on it. He was fretting a bit over gas mileage though!
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