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Old 09-08-2015, 10:01 PM   #1
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Bike racks and tongue weight

I loaded up our 21' with 1Up bike rack, two bikes, full frig, a full fresh tank and checked tounge weight. Shows 500 lbs. Assuming trailer at 4300 lbs, that would put me at a shade under 12%. Good towing experience would back that up. I have pretty much all the options so I think the trailer weight is close. I do have the front box loaded with the usual stuff.

The Sherline scale works well. I did change out the original 2000# gage for a 1000 #gage and that works much better for these kind of weights. One thing I did notice is that you need to have the trailer level or the tandem suspension affects the indicated weight.

I was a bit worried about the bike rack pulling too much load off the tongue. No problem.
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Old 09-08-2015, 10:44 PM   #2
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Good to know - thanks for letting us know what you found.

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The Sherline scale works well. I did change out the original 2000# gage for a 1000 #gage and that works much better for these kind of weights.
Right in the middle of the gauge range - where you want it.

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One thing I did notice is that you need to have the trailer level or the tandem suspension affects the indicated weight.
Yes, because it affects the actual weight on the hitch... which is why the trailer's attitude is important.

Is it equally level while towing? It's more important to determine the tongue weight as towed than what the weight would be when level. Of course, ideally they're the same!

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I was a bit worried about the bike rack pulling too much load off the tongue. No problem.
Did you check without the rack and bikes for comparison?
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I too am interested in the tongue weight without the rack and bikes, Carl.
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I get the same weights, 500/3800 on BlackJack without any bikes, 50% full water, packed for Osoyoos 2 week trip. Carl has a similarly optioned model as mine.
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I too am interested in the tongue weight without the rack and bikes, Carl.
Without bikes and rack around 540. Don't have much under dinette.
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Tongue weight?

Hi: All... Once upon a time our 2007 Classic 5.0 had a removable step. I think it still does? I took it out and put it in the bike rack receiver. I put my 200 #'s on the step only to find the trailer heading towards the sky!!! I was going in the opposite direction. Problem is our driveway heads down hill too. Quick thinking on my part I stepped off!!! What goes up must... Alf
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My 21 recently tipped truck scales at 400/3800 with at least half the holding tanks filled and maybe half the fresh. No bikes.

I have since adjusted Andersen accordingly. Trailer weight inline with expections based off Jim's numbers.
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But Bruce, you do not have the front storage box, at least another 100 lbs on the tongue.
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Right, but my bed storage and tanks were /was/ is stuffed full. And other than batteries, most other weight is in kitchen area.
Blackjack ~4300, Lightning ~4200 which seems right given you have more options on yours.
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I get the same weights, 500/3800 on BlackJack without any bikes, 50% full water, packed for Osoyoos 2 week trip. Carl has a similarly optioned model as mine.
Similar options doesn't mean exactly the same final weight distribution, because people carry different stuff, differently located... but there shouldn't be a huge difference.

The bikes are affecting the tongue weight - I was just curious if the data were available to say how much. The reduction of tongue weight should be roughly half the weight of the racks plus bikes, if they are about half as far from middle of the axles as the coupler.
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Without bikes and rack around 540. Don't have much under dinette.
Thanks Carl!
40 pounds reduction due to the bikes and rack... in line with expectations, assuming that the rack plus a couple of bikes weighs more than 40 but probably short of 80 pounds. For those who are not convinced by explanations of leverage, this is a demonstration of how it will work for anyone: add a pound or two to the back, pry a pound off of the hitch.
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