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Old 01-14-2016, 03:19 PM   #21
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Ron, set a reminder for 2030 to import a diesel Ranger if we can't get them here yet. If you can settle for the older Mazda "Ford Ranger T6" diesel, you can bring in a 2006 in 2021... preferably from somewhere where they drive on the right side of the road, such as continental Europe. /QUOTE]

Thanks Brian, but somehow the 2030 date doesn't work for me.

Not sure I'd bring in a right hand drive now, even if I could. I've driven thousands of miles "on the wrong side of the road" which is no biggie when everything's set up for that. But I've also driven right hand cars here in Canada and the biggest negative is pulling away from the curb. Yes, you can use your mirrors but the visibility is impaired.

If, as is also rumored, they only sell them in the US, I might have to play the game I had to a few years ago when my wife wanted a type of car with a retractable hardtop and a certain color that wasn't available in Canada. No US dealer was allowed to sell to a Canadian (that varies by manufacturer). So, having a US sister, let's just say she never got to drive that car very much.

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Old 01-14-2016, 03:52 PM   #22
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If you can settle for the older Mazda "Ford Ranger T6" diesel, you can bring in a 2006 in 2021... preferably from somewhere where they drive on the right side of the road, such as continental Europe.
Not sure I'd bring in a right hand drive now, even if I could. I've driven thousands of miles "on the wrong side of the road" which is no biggie when everything's set up for that. But I've also driven right hand cars here in Canada and the biggest negative is pulling away from the curb. Yes, you can use your mirrors but the visibility is impaired.
I agree with the logic of avoiding the "wrong side" vehicle, and I'll add that visibility for the driver when passing on two-lane highways is another problem. That's why the preference for cars from continental Europe (where they drive on the right side of the road and thus have the driver on the left-hand side); most of the 15+ year old cars imported to Canada come from Japan, so they're right-hand drive, and a couple of the other obvious source countries (Australia and the UK, because they have desired models and speak English) are a problem for the same reason.

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If, as is also rumored, they only sell them in the US, I might have to play the game I had to a few years ago when my wife wanted a type of car with a retractable hardtop and a certain color that wasn't available in Canada. No US dealer was allowed to sell to a Canadian (that varies by manufacturer). So, having a US sister, let's just say she never got to drive that car very much.
That works to get around the manufacturer's marketing restrictions, but if you're trying to buy a diesel which is not sold here, I think you'll still be prevented from bringing it in, since the engine won't be certified here.

I have a Toyota Sienna, and I noticed in a Sienna forum that many people Canadians were buying their Siennas in the U.S. to save money (some dealers encourage the practice), and that worked because all the important aspects of the vehicle were the same in both countries (same engine, etc.)... but even then they had to modify them for daytime running lights.
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:46 PM   #23
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Was looking forward to the new Ford Ranger. Sounds like I may have a long wait though, after reading some of these posts.
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:59 PM   #24
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If a van qualifies as a sort of "truck" (for one not towing a 5.0 or 5.0TA), then some might be interested in the addition of the Chevrolet Express and GMC Savanna to the ranks of commercial vans with moderately sized diesel engines. The Express/Savanna twins will get the same Duramax 2.8 diesel as the Colorado/Canyon, but with an 8-speed (presumably the 8L90, as used in full-sized GM light trucks), rather than the 6-speed (6L50) behind the same engine in the Colorado/Canyon.

The existing small-diesel commercial vans are the Mercedes Sprinter, Ford Transit, and Ram ProMaster.

General Motors Fits 2.8L Duramax to Chevrolet Express and GMC Savana
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Old 12-10-2017, 10:07 PM   #25
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Jeep Wrangler update

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles has now publicly shown off the next Wrangler - or see the U.S. version or the brochure - (code JL, replacing the current JK), so there are answers to some of the questions which have been raised.

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I may be a little late to the party, but my inside sources tell me two new small trucks were just announced for 2017, the new Honda Ridgeline and a new Jeep pickup!
Not for 2017, but the new JL Wrangler is coming. Production appears to be starting this year, with availability early in 2018, as a late 2018 model (most 2018's were released in the fall of 2017)... but that doesn't include the pickup.

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The Jeep pickup will more likely be a 2018 model after the current Wrangler is redesigned in 2017.
Yes, the pickup will follow - it is not in the initial model lineup, which has only 2-door and 4-door SUV variants. It will follow two years later.

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Jeep says it will a 2017 release. Like other Wranglers tho, I'm doubting it will have more that a couple thousand #'s of towing capacity.
They probably said it would be revealed in 2017, rather than released this year. The rated towing capacity of the 4-door remains 3500 pounds (same as the previous two generations), despite having replaced the earlier transmission (which might have been a weak link). Since the 3.6L V6 engine is carried over, this might apply to only that engine, and it might be an engine limitation.

I have seen no indication of the pickup's towing capacity, or any indication of a reason for it to be any greater than that of the 4-door Wrangler.

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The Jeep Gladiator has been a concept since 2005, here is a mention of it having a diesel...
Jeep - Gladiator Concept
A diesel is confirmed for this generation (by filings with the DOT/EPA): it is being reported as the VM Motori L 630 DOHC, a 3.0L V6 which is currently used in the Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 (where is has much higher Gross Combined Weight Rating). The "reveal" brochure does not mention the diesel.

In addition to the gas and diesel V6 engines, there is also a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder; this configuration of engine has become very common, and FCA is just plugging their current engine of this type into the new model.

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It seems to me that the defining characteristic of the Wrangler is that it is an SUV built on a truck-like platform, but with a proper coil-spring rear (and front) suspension. That means a Wrangler pickup is... a Ram 1500? For anything other than off-roading, I don't see any particular technical appeal (styling is a different matter), but it should tow fine if the drivetrain has sufficient capacity.
They went with a Wrangler-based pickup (not shown yet), rather than a Jeep variant of the Ram trucks. That means it has less cab and box space for the same wheelbase or the same overall length, due to the placement of the engine behind the front axle in the Wrangler. This will be a lousy fifth-wheel tug (due to lack of cab-to-axle clearance), but if some engine variant gets enough GCWR to give it enough towing capacity, it could work for other Escapes.

This also means that a rumoured (and more likely just hoped-for) "Comanche" pickup - meaning one based on the Cherokee - is extraordinarily unlikely.

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The towing limitation for the Wrangler now is its drivetrain, which has the same engine used by many Chrysler cars (and the minivan), and an outdated transmission because the current one won't fit. There has been speculation that a new Wrangler might move to the ZF HP8 transmission (which is available in many versions, the strongest of which is very capable) and of course there are always rumours of different engines.
The Wrangler will now have that ZF HP8 transmission... but with no increase in towing capacity yet.
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Old 12-11-2017, 02:04 AM   #26
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This site has data for the Jeep Scrambler configurations, payload and tow capacity. I believe it is based on preliminary info released to dealers.

https://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/f...revealed.1353/

Quick summary: Max tow rating 6500 lbs, payload 1400 lbs. Diesel will be an option.
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Also have to say, as a wrangler enthusiast, I mostly like what I see with the new generation JL, but was disappointed the there was no increase in tow rating.

I've always been puzzled by the 3500 lb rating even on the current generation. The drive train and chassis is very strong and wheelbase on the 4 door version is comparable to the regular cab Ram 1500. Only thing I can think could be responsible is the long travel suspension for off-road prowess.
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Also have to say, as a wrangler enthusiast, I mostly like what I see with the new generation JL, but was disappointed the there was no increase in tow rating.

I've always been puzzled by the 3500 lb rating even on the current generation. The drive train and chassis is very strong and wheelbase on the 4 door version is comparable to the regular cab Ram 1500. Only thing I can think could be responsible is the long travel suspension for off-road prowess.
I don't think the suspension is that mushy, but maybe. The rear GAWR seems like a more likely limit than the stiffness.

I guessed it might be the transmission, but if the 3500 lb rating for the JL is confirmed, that isn't it. The Pentastar engine is the next possibility, but engines of this size and type are routinely good for much more. That just leaves inadequate cooling (of the transmission or engine), which is possible, since towing isn't important for the typical Wrangler buyer. Okay, the typical Wrangler buyer doesn't need any more capability than a typical economy sedan , but it isn't even important to the enthusiasts.
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This site has data for the Jeep Scrambler configurations, payload and tow capacity. I believe it is based on preliminary info released to dealers.

https://www.jeepscramblerforum.com/f...revealed.1353/

Quick summary: Max tow rating 6500 lbs, payload 1400 lbs. Diesel will be an option.
Very interesting, and looks convincing. I do wonder about 2018 specs for a truck which Jeep has pretty openly said is not going to be available in the 2018 model year... without any indication of the source. I don't think dealers get any information a year ahead of when they can place orders, but maybe Jeep is different, or the truck information really did get released into the ordering system with the SUV information.

These values suggest that the towing limitation of the JL Wrangler is one of:
  • cooling, easily improved with alternate components,
  • frame construction (unlikely),
  • wheelbase (unlikely), or
  • rear suspension capacity.

Some of the enthusiast forums are very good at authoritatively announcing either educated guesses or complete fabrications as fact, although this pile of data is unusually detailed. For a example, have a look at the graphic at the top of the page... it is a truck based on the JL Wrangler, and is pretty close, but has the front fenders wrong (compared to the JL shown by Jeep last month): that means it is a guess by someone with no information from Jeep, based on a JL Unlimited image and perhaps bed parts from the J8 or one of the aftermarket kits, with rumoured JL details (such as the grill) added. Many web sites will share images like this, some identifying it as a real image of the coming model. I hope the data doesn't fall in the same category, but we'll see in a year or so.
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I had a 6 cyl Jeep Liberty in 2012 and it was rated 5000/500 towing and it had the older 4.0 Jeep motor not the new Pentastar which put out more torque and hp.But they stopped making that model.
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