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09-08-2017, 02:08 PM
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Location: St. Thomas not BVI., Ontario
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Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
on your tow vehicle. Come to find out that my Ram 1500 has 20' wheels and tires but a 17" temporary spare??
I know that Jeep provides 5 full sized tires and wheels and assumed a truck with a towing package would also, my mistake. Now to find a 20x9 wheel and spend money for a tire that hopefully I will never need.
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Hi: cpaharley2008... Check out a Canadian dealer in the Niagara Area. Maybe you could get one while up here? Alf
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09-08-2017, 02:42 PM
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For extra sets of wheels (to have separate winter and summer sets), I now buy used original equipment alloy wheels, as msweet described. One caution about doing this for a Ram pickup spare: I have noticed comments in other forums that the spare tire holder does not fit the alloy wheels, so only a steel wheel can be used for at least some recent model years. None of my current vehicles have a full-sized spare, so I haven't bought anything for spare use.
If auto salvage businesses don't have spares for the Ram, they must be throwing them out due to lack of demand - after all, brand-new trucks are wrecked every day, but how many people would have a reason to buy these wheels?
I do find it a little disturbing - but unfortunately not surprising - that people discover what they have (or don't have) for a spare only when they really need it. Maybe it's just that I'm an auto enthusiast, but to me getting a new vehicle is a reason to spend some time looking it over and learning about it. The spare (or slime and inflator, or empty spare compartment) takes seconds to find... and only minutes at the most to examine in detail. It's probably worth checking out the jack, too - that might take longer to figure out, especially to see where it is placed to lift the vehicle.
My guess is that most people spend the time to synch their phone to their new vehicle in the first day that they have it. That's understandable, but what's really important? I suppose if one depends on having phone service to call roadside assistance, the spare isn't of any importance.
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09-08-2017, 03:54 PM
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#43
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Location: North of Danbury, Wisconsin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
For extra sets of wheels (to have separate winter and summer sets), I now buy used original equipment alloy wheels, as msweet described. One caution about doing this for a Ram pickup spare: I have noticed comments in other forums that the spare tire holder does not fit the alloy wheels, so only a steel wheel can be used for at least some recent model years. None of my current vehicles have a full-sized spare, so I haven't bought anything for spare use.
If auto salvage businesses don't have spares for the Ram, they must be throwing them out due to lack of demand - after all, brand-new trucks are wrecked every day, but how many people would have a reason to buy these wheels?
I do find it a little disturbing - but unfortunately not surprising - that people discover what they have (or don't have) for a spare only when they really need it. Maybe it's just that I'm an auto enthusiast, but to me getting a new vehicle is a reason to spend some time looking it over and learning about it. The spare (or slime and inflator, or empty spare compartment) takes seconds to find... and only minutes at the most to examine in detail. It's probably worth checking out the jack, too - that might take longer to figure out, especially to see where it is placed to lift the vehicle.
My guess is that most people spend the time to synch their phone to their new vehicle in the first day that they have it. That's understandable, but what's really important? I suppose if one depends on having phone service to call roadside assistance, the spare isn't of any importance.
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I was aware of the temporary 17 " spare on the day I bought my Ram truck . Three years later I still haven't synced my cell phone to the bluetooth.
Now back to the topic.
My question is , Could I replace the 17" temporary spare tire using the same factory 17" rim with a standard 17" tire that is rated for normal use , speed and load ?
I was told not to tow with the limited use spare but if the 17" spare tire was a standard road tire ,could I make it to someplace with trailer in tow where I could get the regular 20" road tire repaired ?
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09-08-2017, 03:59 PM
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#44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
My guess is that most people spend the time to synch their phone to their new vehicle in the first day that they have it
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Guilty! This is definitely the first thing I do, as I will not converse on the phone without it, and it allows me to play my driving tunes.
I do bother to learn about all the other components of the vehicle too, but take care of the important settings first.
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09-08-2017, 04:46 PM
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Although I do recognize the consequences of not having a spare when I need one, the reality is that I have had two flat tires in the past 20 yrs, and only one of those required me to change the tire. The other one was leaking slow enough that I drove to a tire shop to have it fixed. For for my circumstances and driving style, there is a relatively low probability that I will need to use my spare on any given drive. (I keep my tires in good condition, have operational tire pressure sensors, check the tire pressures regularly, and avoid driving over road hazards whenever possible.) So if I do have a crappy spare in my vehicle, the likelihood of me ever needing to use it is low, so why buy a good quality full-size spare?
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09-08-2017, 05:48 PM
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#46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Walter
Although I do recognize the consequences of not having a spare when I need one, the reality is that I have had two flat tires in the past 20 yrs, and only one of those required me to change the tire. The other one was leaking slow enough that I drove to a tire shop to have it fixed. For for my circumstances and driving style, there is a relatively low probability that I will need to use my spare on any given drive. (I keep my tires in good condition, have operational tire pressure sensors, check the tire pressures regularly, and avoid driving over road hazards whenever possible.) So if I do have a crappy spare in my vehicle, the likelihood of me ever needing to use it is low, so why buy a good quality full-size spare?
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While I have had even better luck with the RAV4 - 6 years, and 134,000 miles, and never a flat, I'm a bit nervous about being 100's of miles from anywhere without a spare. I've had a couple of cases with both the RAV4 & the 17 that I found a nail or screw in the tire - I check pressure most mornings before heading out.
The run flat tires the RAV4 came with were limited to 100 miles when flat at 30MPH or less - I've been places where that would still not get me within cell phone coverage.
I still want to carry a spare capable of the limits of the rest of the tires...
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09-08-2017, 06:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilye
While I have had even better luck with the RAV4 - 6 years, and 134,000 miles, and never a flat, ....
I still want to carry a spare capable of the limits of the rest of the tires...
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Jon, I thought you were driving a 2016 Tacoma TRD Off Road these days. I just checked my 2016 Tacoma TRD sport and the spare is the same tire as those on the road - Firestone Destination P265 / 65R17. The TRD Off Road has 16" rims. I'm guessing your spare is the same as the ones on the road too.
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09-08-2017, 07:16 PM
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It is the same but on a steel rim not a alloy , Reason for that is if your off roading all tires Diameters have to be the same or damage to the drive will occur .
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09-08-2017, 07:26 PM
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#49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve dunham
My question is , Could I replace the 17" temporary spare tire using the same factory 17" rim with a standard 17" tire that is rated for normal use , speed and load ?
I was told not to tow with the limited use spare but if the 17" spare tire was a standard road tire ,could I make it to someplace with trailer in tow where I could get the regular 20" road tire repaired ?
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That would put you in the third category for which Jim Bennett shared Ford's description (in the same category and with the same diameters as Jim's F-150): with the same overall diameter and proper speed and load ratings towing (even at normal speed) seems reasonable, but it is a dissimilar tire (in rim diameter and so sidewall height, and in section width) so caution is advisable regarding handling, braking, and traction.
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09-08-2017, 10:57 PM
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#50
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Location: Loserpeg, Manitoba
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
That would put you in the third category for which Jim Bennett shared Ford's description (in the same category and with the same diameters as Jim's F-150): with the same overall diameter and proper speed and load ratings towing (even at normal speed) seems reasonable, but it is a dissimilar tire (in rim diameter and so sidewall height, and in section width) so caution is advisable regarding handling, braking, and traction.
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Yes, bang on. Caution for sure, but doable and cheapest solution until OP can find a matching 20 inch wheel and tire for a spare.
My f150 came with a steel wheel in 17 with same tire as my 17 inch alloys (a crappy street P rated tire, but the same none the less) When I swapped tires I bought 5 so i had a matching spare ( i went to a different diameter)
Find out diameter of your 20 inch tires, get a 17 inch tire that has same diameter and load rating, and ideally the same tread if possible. Yeah it isnt ideal and you will have to be careful in using a LSD or having it in 4x4. Also yes it will look ugly having one 17 steely and 3 20s but whatever. The downside to this is you cant rotate your spare in unless you can deal with the mis match looks, and then over time the diameter difference gets larger.
Off the top of my head a 275/60r20 is 33" tall. A 255/80r17 is also 33" tall. If you had both with the same load rating, you could use the 17 for a spare.
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09-09-2017, 12:16 AM
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Jim, I'd probably just put new rubber (right sized) on the spare rim.
How long you keeping that junker for anyways?
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09-09-2017, 08:00 AM
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#52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BCnomad
Jim, I'd probably just put new rubber (right sized) on the spare rim.
How long you keeping that junker for anyways?
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That's my plan exactly . Put a decent road tire on the spare's rim , hope to God I never need to use it , and trade my truck off in the Spring.
To be fair Jim hangs on to his vehicle for a longer period of time than he does his Escapes./ travel trailers.
At least he hangs on to his vehicles long enough to have to refuel
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09-09-2017, 08:09 AM
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The manager called me last night from home and said that this dealership is an offroad jeep and dodge dealer and they are always taking off stock and replacing with aftermarket wheels and suspension items. They then sell the stock items. He will check next week and see if there are any still out there that were sold and will try to retrieve them.
Today I'm going to the Toyota dealer and check out a new Tacoma and will verify their spare status.
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09-09-2017, 08:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The manager called me last night from home and said that this dealership is an offroad jeep and dodge dealer and they are always taking off stock and replacing with aftermarket wheels and suspension items. They then sell the stock items. He will check next week and see if there are any still out there that were sold and will try to retrieve them.
Today I'm going to the Toyota dealer and check out a new Tacoma and will verify their spare status.
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Hi: cpaharley2008... I have a leather belted spare tire you could use, but I'd have to come along for the ride!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie
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09-20-2017, 01:47 PM
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Went on line and checked price for a new wheel and tire-$450, ouch. Dealer said they can not find any used locally. Today I went to local tire dealer, 4 new tires installed-same as on truck-GoodYear OWL P275/60R20-$685 and for another $150 they will obtain a new matching wheel and install one of my original tires for a spare, they even think it may fit underneath. So when it is all said and done I'm going back to dealer for some sort of recompense.
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