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thoer · 01-13-2017, 04:18 PM

Whew I'm relieved. I've been feeling a bit light headed lately. I wonder if they will be able depoliticize that consensus on the Theory of Gravity too? I've personally never seen a gravity wave - just sayin'.... Maybe these guys can help https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

gbaglo · 01-13-2017, 04:24 PM

And that's the whole problem with the interweb.
There is always a site to support what you already believe.
And, most people only want to read what supports that belief.
Which is why I didn't read that denier site.

Jim Bennett · 01-13-2017, 04:32 PM

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And, most people only want to read what supports that belief.

Duh, yeah! 'cause I am always right!

thoer · 01-13-2017, 04:32 PM

Scientific American Why Do People Believe in Conspiracy Theories

**rbryan4** · 01-13-2017, 04:43 PM

Red herrings and false comparisons aren't an adequate response to scientific debate. Just saying. To suggest that every scientific debate is settled and those who look honestly at the contradictory information are "deniers" and "conspiracy theorists" is quite shallow. There's a vast difference between those who approach science with an open and honest mind, looking at all sides of the debate, and those who cling to every conspiracy that comes down the pike.

steve dunham · 01-13-2017, 04:53 PM

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Whew I'm relieved. I've been feeling a bit light headed lately. I wonder if they will be able depoliticize that consensus on the Theory of Gravity too? I've personally never seen a gravity wave - just sayin'.... Maybe these guys can help https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

Global warming is a hoax cause we had 27 below zero this morning . Scientists projected that the earth's temperature would warm two degrees and it only warmed 1.8 degrees , which proves that they are either stupid or lied. The ice chunks falling of the ice packs are smaller than they predicted so again they are wrong.
If the climate scientists are so smart then why can't they get it 100% right ? I'm never wrong so I expect the same thing from them college edumacated scientists
There's a conspiracy here but I don't know what it is , so it's time to turn on talk radio and find out the real truth or I can go to the bar and ask the boy's , they'll know for sure.

escape artist · 01-13-2017, 04:53 PM

Hi: All... Anyone who doesn't like the smell of diesel in or out can burn "Poutine" French fry oil!!! Sure makes your car exhaust smell nicer and only causes hardening of the arteries!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

Jubal · 01-13-2017, 04:55 PM

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https://realclimatescience.com/2016/...e-mostly-fake/

"Activists with a point of view" ?

**rbryan4** · 01-13-2017, 04:57 PM

See, this is what happens when one strives for open and honest examination of all the facts, and it happens too often: they're called flat earthers, moon landing deniers, etc. Rather than look at the actual facts, all of the facts, I suppose its easier just to call them nuts.

**rbryan4** · 01-13-2017, 05:00 PM

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"Activists with a point of view" ?

Yes, absolutely. Which is my exact point. Nobody has cornered the market on truth. Not NOAA or NASA either. I don't look at who's claiming it, I look at the facts behind what they claim. For example, when Algore in his movie stated that the polar ice would be almost gone by 2015, and then in 2015 it was measured to be 40 percent larger than when he made his movie, that is a fact. That fact informs an opinion.

Rossue · 01-13-2017, 05:02 PM

"Just sayin".....sounds like more than a few out there need to stock up their trailers and git:

**rbryan4** · 01-13-2017, 05:05 PM

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"Just sayin".....sounds like more than a few out there need to stock up their trailers and git:

You're probably right, Ross.

**Donna D.** · 01-13-2017, 05:05 PM

Confirmation Bias - where some people don't hear, read or see any evidence that is contrary to what they believe is true. In other words they ONLY notice information that confirms what they believe is true. That, combined with avoiding critical thinking, which has shown to use a lot of energy (it actually makes us tired). I'm trying to avoid saying people are mentally lazy, but that's actually what it is.

gbaglo · 01-13-2017, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna D.

Confirmation Bias - where some people don't hear, read or see any evidence that is contrary to what they believe is true.

I agree.

DonF · 01-13-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rbryan4

Yes, absolutely. Which is my exact point. Nobody has cornered the market on truth. Not NOAA or NASA either. I don't look at who's claiming it, I look at the facts behind what they claim. For example, when Algore in his movie stated that the polar ice would be almost gone by 2015, and then in 2015 it was measured to be 40 percent larger than when he made his movie, that is a fact. That fact informs an opinion.

For what it is worth - here's another view.
xkcd: Earth Temperature Timeline

**rbryan4** · 01-13-2017, 05:10 PM

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I'm trying to avoid saying people are mentally lazy, but that's actually what it is.

I couldn't agree more. But one's point of view is a big part of where we lay that charge. For me for example, it's the height of intellectual laziness to blanket state "the science is settled" when one hasn't even looked at the actual data, or when one gets all their news from one source. Kind of like watching either CNN or Fox exclusively. Ugh.

SFDavis50 · 01-13-2017, 05:13 PM

Thoer, if it wasn't for naturally occurring global warming your home in Galesville and most of Canada would still be under a mile thick sheet of ice. And chunks of ice in Antartica regularly break off in summer (it is summer down there now) because they are floating in the ocean and tidal activity puts stress on things that float. That is not a man made disaster.

Global Warming, Global Cooling and Climate Change exist between arbitrary time periods chosen by people trying to prove their own point and gain the power to tell others how to live their lives. And they still get it wrong.

steve dunham · 01-13-2017, 05:16 PM

I've researched this subject thoroughly and after much deliberation , I have come to the only logical conclusion .
"Climate change is caused by the Ford Eco Boost Engine " .
I talked it over with my buddy's at the bar , while we watched rhe Packer game and we all agreed .

** Don't tell my buddy's but I'm rooting for the Cowboys on Sunday **

thoer · 01-13-2017, 05:22 PM

Well, since we Americans now live in a post-factual society, isn't this talk of "facts" irrelevant?

Since I didn't have any kids, I'm not going to be one of those explaining in 20 -50 years to them why those 97% of climate scientists were so conveniently ignored because otherwise we might have had to actually do something.

DonF - excellent graphic - kinda gives it all some perspective.

Back to homebrewing and workin' on that build sheet for me!!

(mic drop)

Tin · 01-13-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Donna D.

Confirmation Bias - where some people don't hear, read or see any evidence that is contrary to what they believe is true. In other words they ONLY notice information that confirms what they believe is true. That, combined with avoiding critical thinking, which has shown to use a lot of energy (it actually makes us tired). I'm trying to avoid saying people are mentally lazy, but that's actually what it is.

LOL, as I read this all I could think about was president elect trump.

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