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Old 08-10-2016, 07:05 AM   #51
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Hi: JPSpins... It was a pleasure to meet you and redtaco99 in Orleans. I too found it some what odd that a truck maker would tout the tow ability of a truck yet not offer tow mirrors. My Frontier was the same but I sourced a parts co. in the US while in Florida and installed them there!!! I'm sure 1A Auto : Aftermarket Auto Parts, Car Body Parts, Replacement & New Automobile and Truck Parts | Buy Discount Car & Auto Parts Online 1aauto will source mirrors for the Colo/Can. twins soon. Alf
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It was great meeting you as well! Perhaps these trucks were essentially developed for the commercial sector with narrower working trailers. After much research and many test drives, I abandoned the idea of finding a SUV capable of towing a 4000 lb trailer within my safety parameters of 6000+. Now, if GM could drop that diesel into something like the (previous) Acadia...well, that would be something! With proper mirrors or course.
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:37 AM   #52
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I'll be following you guys on how the diesel Canyon tows a 5.0. I'm a little concerned that it might be too light, but now there are a couple of real world Escape owners I'll be interested to see what y'all think. I'll be in the market next year for a new tow rig, the current 05 Dodge Cummins has no problems, but I'm looking hard at the Titan Cummins and this new smaller diesel Chev/GMC.
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I'll be following you guys on how the diesel Canyon tows a 5.0. I'm a little concerned that it might be too light, but now there are a couple of real world Escape owners I'll be interested to see what y'all think. I'll be in the market next year for a new tow rig, the current 05 Dodge Cummins has no problems, but I'm looking hard at the Titan Cummins and this new smaller diesel Chev/GMC.
Hi: Tford... Had a ride in a new Canyon diesel. Nice and pricey. Lots of torque/tug, and very comfortable... but then I don't like full sized trucks. Alf
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Old 08-10-2016, 12:59 PM   #54
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... acceleration is nonexistent. Well, that is until the turbo kicks in.
"Turbo lag" - the delay from pushing the pedal to boost building up and power coming on - is mostly a problem of the past, although it might be more of a problem in a highly-boosted diesel than a typical turbo gasoline engine. Does it really have that much turbo lag, or is the power boost from the automatic transmission downshifting?

Now I want to test-drive one out of curiosity, but I can't look a sales rep in the eye and say that I am seriously considering buying - I'm just not in the market for a truck.
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"Turbo lag" - the delay from pushing the pedal to boost building up and power coming on - is mostly a problem of the past, although it might be more of a problem in a highly-boosted diesel than a typical turbo gasoline engine. Does it really have that much turbo lag, or is the power boost from the automatic transmission downshifting?

Now I want to test-drive one out of curiosity, but I can't look a sales rep in the eye and say that I am seriously considering buying - I'm just not in the market for a truck.
You really don't have to tell them anything except you want to try it out. I found that a lot of sales reps were less than truthful or knowledgeable with their brands (I had done my homework). I would make up little scenarios about my needs, mixing fact and fiction to see what they came up with. This helped with finding the right vehicle and dealer.

I am easy on the pedal and this is my first turbo so I really cannot comment on lag but once rolling it will go when asked to. Definitely not a Mustang!
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:18 PM   #56
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Good looking mid-size truck. I’m kind of curious about how the diesel long bed and the 5.0 TA will get along together. Lots of good reading here: Diesel - Chevy Colorado & GMC Canyon

I want to take one out on a test drive but the better half said “No”. Scott

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You really don't have to tell them anything except you want to try it out. I found that a lot of sales reps were less than truthful or knowledgeable with their brands (I had done my homework). I would make up little scenarios about my needs, mixing fact and fiction to see what they came up with. This helped with finding the right vehicle and dealer.

I have no problem with this clever strategy to work around the faults of dealerships... if actually shopping. I'm not shopping for a new vehicle, so unless I'm assisting one of you make a choice (hmm... ) it wouldn't be right to drive their demo truck around.
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Perhaps these trucks were essentially developed for the commercial sector with narrower working trailers.
I'm not sure that commercial trailers tend to be narrower than the widest Escapes. This truck's size is simply a stretch (to combine the longer cabs with longer boxes) of the Colorado which was already being sold worldwide, which in turn is sized to meet expectations in other countries (where vehicles are typically narrower).

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After much research and many test drives, I abandoned the idea of finding a SUV capable of towing a 4000 lb trailer within my safety parameters of 6000+. Now, if GM could drop that diesel into something like the (previous) Acadia...well, that would be something!
Does the "safety parameters of 6000+" mean a minimum trailer weight rating of 6000 pounds?

I appreciate the frustration of finding just the right vehicle, but I don't think dropping the Duramax 2.8 into the Acadia would increase safety at all, and while it might address engine durability limits, it wouldn't change the durability of the transmission (which is likely the limiting factor in the Acadia's towing rating).
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:43 PM   #59
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I have no problem with this clever strategy to work around the faults of dealerships... if actually shopping. I'm not shopping for a new vehicle, so unless I'm assisting one of you make a choice (hmm... ) it wouldn't be right to drive their demo truck around.
I was thinking of the informed assistance excuse to test drive!
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:56 PM   #60
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I'm not sure that commercial trailers tend to be narrower than the widest Escapes. This truck's size is simply a stretch (to combine the longer cabs with longer boxes) of the Colorado which was already being sold worldwide, which in turn is sized to meet expectations in other countries (where vehicles are typically narrower).


Does the "safety parameters of 6000+" mean a minimum trailer weight rating of 6000 pounds?

I appreciate the frustration of finding just the right vehicle, but I don't think dropping the Duramax 2.8 into the Acadia would increase safety at all, and while it might address engine durability limits, it wouldn't change the durability of the transmission (which is likely the limiting factor in the Acadia's towing rating).
Yes, I wanted a vehicle able to tow at least 6000 even if i was looking at smaller trailers. That's just me.
You are probably right about the size of trailers. The ones hauled by tradesmen just seem narrower.
About the (former) Acadia, I really liked it but it maxed at 5000. I just thought this diesel would have made a nice fit but it's all academic. I doubt it would have had a tow mirror option anyway!
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