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Old 08-10-2016, 04:00 PM   #61
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Price was right so we ordered a 2016. According to the dealer, this is the last week he could order a 2016. Maybe should have waited, but as I said, the price was right (for the diesel) and reports I read say there will be few if any changes for 2017 - maybe a tarted up Denali trim for the Canyon, and no changes at all for the Colorado.
I just got back from my dealer. I might also order a 2016. Need to decide by Friday at the latest.
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:31 PM   #62
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Now I want to test-drive one out of curiosity, but I can't look a sales rep in the eye and say that I am seriously considering buying - I'm just not in the market for a truck.
just got back from a dealership today with trucks as far as I could see...lots of salespeople with nothing to do as there were no interested buyers cruising the lot, probably because of the time of day....you may find a salesperson happy to take a ride with you anyway out of boredom... if you pick the right time of day...
a bit off subject but about "turbo"...often wondered how much the turbo is ON for the FordEco Boost when pulling a trailer thus saving any gas..have a friend who says his TurboBoost is ON if pulling a trailer (meaning he says he ain't saving any gas.. 10 to 14 mpg) or its OFF when hauling groceries....when thinking about turbos, it was the turbos at the drag strip as a kid..and quite a few blew the engine!
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:52 PM   #63
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:06 PM   #64
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...a bit off subject but about "turbo"...often wondered how much the turbo is ON for the FordEco Boost when pulling a trailer thus saving any gas..have a friend who says his TurboBoost is ON if pulling a trailer (meaning he says he ain't saving any gas.. 10 to 14 mpg) or its OFF when hauling groceries....when thinking about turbos, it was the turbos at the drag strip as a kid..and quite a few blew the engine!
Nobody's drag racing when towing with an F150 and Ecoboost engine. I get 16 towing and 26 not towing with a 2.7L Ecoboost/Escape 19. The towing experience is great. I'll take it.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:14 PM   #66
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The small Duramax might be a great little diesel. I currently have a 3.0L Benz diesel in a Jeep Grand Cherokee and brother in law has a BMW 3.0L in an X5. Both engines pull great but the weight of both vehicles seem to be a little light in that you know there's a trailer back there going down the road. There's quite a bit of push/pull and wandering, but an anti sway hitch helps a lot. Of course, I'm comparing both the rides to my 3/4T truck and you never know anything is back there under 7500 lbs. Hence the reason I'll probably look hard at the new Nissan Titan XD after this first year of growing pains.
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Old 08-10-2016, 07:45 PM   #67
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The small Duramax might be a great little diesel. I currently have a 3.0L Benz diesel in a Jeep Grand Cherokee and brother in law has a BMW 3.0L in an X5. Both engines pull great but the weight of both vehicles seem to be a little light in that you know there's a trailer back there going down the road. There's quite a bit of push/pull and wandering, but an anti sway hitch helps a lot. Of course, I'm comparing both the rides to my 3/4T truck and you never know anything is back there under 7500 lbs. Hence the reason I'll probably look hard at the new Nissan Titan XD after this first year of growing pains.
looked at a diesel seriously toward the end of last year, Titan XD being one...glad I didn't get that one with its 1st year issues...several friends who own diesels did not recommend any diesel if the buyer was a "light" hauler...meaning you can get the job done cheaper with gas and less headache and considering long term maintenance costs...said when replacing the catalytic convertor/diesel exhaust system and the diesel fuel pump system you better be ready to call your banker for a loan if out of warranty..since I fit the "light" hauler category it seemed like good advice, but have to admit the Ram EcoDiesel was intriguing..
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Old 08-10-2016, 08:59 PM   #68
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... Of course, I'm comparing both the rides to my 3/4T truck and you never know anything is back there under 7500 lbs. Hence the reason I'll probably look hard at the new Nissan Titan XD after this first year of growing pains.
I'm sure that the Titan XD is a well-built truck, but that thing is as heavy as a Ford F-250 or GM 2500 or Ram 2500. It's like a typical "half-ton", plus a boat anchor of an engine, plus a bunch of frame and suspension to support the engine, and no more payload than the half-ton. I can't see that making sense for any use I would ever have for a truck.

The Colorado/Canyon diesel, in contrast, is usefully more compact than other diesel pickups.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:08 PM   #69
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a bit off subject but about "turbo"...often wondered how much the turbo is ON for the FordEco Boost when pulling a trailer thus saving any gas..have a friend who says his TurboBoost is ON if pulling a trailer (meaning he says he ain't saving any gas.. 10 to 14 mpg) or its OFF when hauling groceries....when thinking about turbos, it was the turbos at the drag strip as a kid..and quite a few blew the engine!
A turbocharger is not an on/off device - it's always spinning. The engine can be on or off of boost - that's shown directly by boost gauge, so current EcoBoost owners might have a comment about this, and it might be what the above friend means by being on or off.

Being under boost or not does not directly mean anything about saving gas. Fuel is saved in this type of engine - compared to a larger non-boosted engine - by getting the job done with a smaller engine at the same speed (and so less friction, and lower pumping losses due to more open throttle), or by lower engine speed (again, less friction). Even if an EcoBoost 2.7 (for instance) only spent a few percent of its time in boost, it could still be saving fuel the rest of the time compared to the same truck with the 5.0L V8 by allowing the use of a smaller engine.

In the Colorado/Canyon, the only turbo engine choice is the diesel, and the diesel (like any other diesel) needs the turbo just to keep up with the performance of the non-turbo gasoline engine of a similar displacement. The turbodiesel gets its efficiency improvement (compared to the gas V6) about as much from the lack of throttling at less than full power (which is most of the time) as much as from lower speeds when working hard.
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Old 08-10-2016, 11:51 PM   #70
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...several friends who own diesels did not recommend any diesel if the buyer was a "light" hauler...meaning you can get the job done cheaper with gas and less headache and considering long term maintenance costs...said when replacing the catalytic convertor/diesel exhaust system and the diesel fuel pump system you better be ready to call your banker for a loan if out of warranty..since I fit the "light" hauler category it seemed like good advice, but have to admit the Ram EcoDiesel was intriguing..
This is the conventional wisdom, but it hasn't been my experience FWIW. Our Touareg TDI was about $3K more expensive than the gas V6 and has gone 105K with zero problems. I would have no reservations about buying a diesel Colorado/Canyon.

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"Turbo lag" - the delay from pushing the pedal to boost building up and power coming on - is mostly a problem of the past, although it might be more of a problem in a highly-boosted diesel than a typical turbo gasoline engine. Does it really have that much turbo lag, or is the power boost from the automatic transmission downshifting?
Not the vehicle we are talking about here, but maybe relevant: Our Touareg does fine at sea level, but get it up to 6,000+ feet and you can't just stomp on the accelerator and expect anything much to happen very quickly. Once it gets to 1700 rpm or so there is no power difference between sea level and high altitude, but it's definitely very flat right off the bottom at altitude. You learn to plan ahead.

I was told this has a lot to do with the size of the turbo. A smaller turbo will develop more HP at a higher speed and RPM. A larger turbo will be better for torque low down. The 2011-2013's have a larger turbo but 20 less hp than the 2014+ models with the smaller turbo. I'll take the larger turbo. The hp of the Duramax 2.8 is a bit low at 180 so I'm thinking they went larger on the turbo for the truck application.
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