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Old 11-06-2015, 01:11 PM   #21
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Another article, if you missed it. Seems recently updated.

http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/04/nissan/titan/
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:11 PM   #22
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This thread brings up several great issues with those contemplating a 50. TA, especially the 900 lb pin weight. My truck has a 1400 lb limit and the BlackJack takes 500# away from that. I may carry another 3-400 in the bed. The 5.0 would max me out. Again that Nissan XD with 2000 capacity limit is appealing.
I believe the limiting factor are the axles in most trucks, which may need to be discussed further. If I have 3900# axles is that 7800# total or is the 3900# the limit?
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:52 PM   #23
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This thread brings up several great issues with those contemplating a 50. TA, especially the 900 lb pin weight. My truck has a 1400 lb limit and the BlackJack takes 500# away from that. I may carry another 3-400 in the bed. The 5.0 would max me out. Again that Nissan XD with 2000 capacity limit is appealing.
I believe the limiting factor are the axles in most trucks, which may need to be discussed further. If I have 3900# axles is that 7800# total or is the 3900# the limit?
You have a bit more room than you are calculating, Jim. The hitch weight is only 600 lbs, with most of the weight loading in the rear, so it is not likely to be a heck of a lot more, unless you plan to carry heavy stuff up front. Plus, that is one heck of a lot of weight allowed for added cargo. Not to say you wouldn't exceed your weight limit though.

Don't forget my weight limit was 2,100 on paper, buy only 1,650 after all the packages and options were added.

I was told that the payload on my truck was calculated with full fluids, including fuel, so that does not need to factor into what it can carry.

These are the weights I used to calculate my allowed cargo weight
Tongue weight dry - 600
Tongue weight added - 150 (which I think is a heavy allowance)
Two adults - 360 (and shrinking )
Jasper - 50
Gooseneck hitch - 90
Anderson Ultimate 5th wheel hitch - 40 (with king pin connector)
Tonneau cover - 70
Tool box - 40
Line-X - 20

Total weight - 1420
Allowed weight - 1650

This leaves me 230 lbs of room for cargo. Plenty, as almost everything will be in the trailer.
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:37 PM   #24
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But in the actual world the pin weight exceeded 900 lbs on the TA which would exceed your capacity. Plus it has been countered with a full fresh tank, if you travel empty it would approach 1/2 ton.
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I am confused, where does the 900 lbs come from, if Escape says 600 lbs. I did allow a total of 750 lbs pin weight in my calculations. Given that most of the added weight would be behind the axles, I think this it would likely be much less.
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I've never gotten close to 900 for the pin weight. With little in the fresh and a lot in the holding tanks at the end of a trip I had 730 lbs for the pin. You can make the pin a lot lighter if you have an empty holding tanks and a full fresh. I don't have the exact numbers handy, but I've also ha the pin down to about 500 lbs weighing before leaving on a trip. So I end up with a wide range of pin weights on a trip, it mostly depends on the water and waste situation.

I can end up with 900 lbs in the bed of the truck by having a heavy pin on the trailer and the roughly 200 lb B&W Patriot hitch. Add in a 2-300 lbs in the bed and 3-350 in the cab, maybe 1500 lbs max.

From what I've read over the years, the deciding factors on your vehicle are the axle/s, wheels, and tires, all 3 have to handle the weight.
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Bob, how do you measure your pin weight?

Your numbers sound more in line with what I would expect. Larry hasn't been on here for a few months, or I would like to know how he got his pin weight so high.
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:46 PM   #29
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I've more or less stayed mainly around 800 lbs- sometimes a bit less sometimes a bit more.
I don't carry water or full tanks often
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I've more or less stayed mainly around 800 lbs- sometimes a bit less sometimes a bit more.
I don't carry water or full tanks often
I've only checked twice but both times we were around 750 lbs, that was with full water and empty grey and black tanks. (and my wife packs very heavy)

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