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Old 11-07-2015, 10:38 AM   #41
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But in the actual world the pin weight exceeded 900 lbs on the TA which would exceed your capacity. Plus it has been countered with a full fresh tank, if you travel empty it would approach 1/2 ton.
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I'm not saying your vehicle is under rated as you have previously stated you are aware of the limits and can pack accordingly.
I had been referring to the above post of yours, I might have just misinterpreted. I have been known to do that.

And I fully agree that making those new to towing aware of the weight limits are restrictions, and to understand how they work. I also would like to make certain they are not scared into buying something well beyond what their needs and wants would be.
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In my case I'd add 200 lbs for the B&W, I've heard 60 lbs for the Anderson, don't know about the Reese.
The Anderson Ultimate is 32 lbs, plus the weight of the ball to king pin adapter, which is why I included 40 lbs in my calculations. I installed the B&W Turnoverball so I could have a clear bed for when not towing. It weighs 88 lbs. I imagine if you used bed rails they would save a few pounds.
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:12 AM   #42
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Where are these numbers coming from, according to ETI, the 21' is 2" longer than the 5.0??
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:21 AM   #43
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We are all referring to the shell length, which is longer on the 5.0.
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:41 AM   #44
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The Escape web site has the 21 body length at 17'4", my measuring tape says the 5.0TA body is 20'3".
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Old 11-07-2015, 11:46 AM   #45
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Is the 5.0TA's main body section based on the 21 or the 19?
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:04 PM   #46
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Is the 5.0TA's main body section based on the 21 or the 19?
The 21.
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:18 PM   #47
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I don't know it this helps much but found it in the 2016 Tacoma manual concerning TWR - trailer weight rating: TWR is calculated assuming base vehicle with one driver, one front passenger, towing package (if available), hitch and hitch systems (if required).
Additional optional equipment, passengers and cargo in the vehicle will reduce the trailer weight rating so as not to exceed GCWR, GVWR and GAWR.


Probably more applies to trailers other than 5th wheels
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:43 PM   #48
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The Taco with the composite bed cannot support or hold the 5th wheel hitch, what some have done is place steel support underneath and in the bed, with this modification you void all warranty.
Yes, there are steel supports underneath, just as with any properly installed fifth-wheel hitch, regardless of the box material.

The warranty on the frame of any truck would be voided by drilling through or welding to the frame in any way not permitted by the manufacturer or causing a failure, and all properly installed fifth-wheel hitches have frame brackets. Has anyone heard of a properly installed fifth-wheel hitch bracket causing a frame failure?

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The Ford F150 is a great choice and if you are comfortable the Nissan Frontier given the Steel Bed
The F-150 box is aluminum - no concern there? I don't see a problem, but if the Taco's composite box is an issue then the F-150's aluminum box would be, too.
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I think the manufacturers do not rate their smaller trucks for 5th wheel towing because when "5th wheel" is mentioned, what comes to mind for most people are the behemoth stickies typically towed by dual wheeled diesels.
I agree... although you might be surprised how many are towed by single-rear-wheel trucks (many diesel). I went around the loop at Nk'Mip (Osoyoos) one time in the winter when it is mostly filled with big fifth-wheel trailers, and few had duallies.
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Old 11-07-2015, 12:53 PM   #50
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While this is true from purely a towing perspective, it is often far from the best option for other uses. Not everyone can, or wants to, pay the costs associated with larger tow vehicles. These costs are not just those for the larger initial investment or the added cost for fuel, but also in having a vehicle that does not suit their everyday needs as well, those needs when not towing.

The bigger is better North American attitude with vehicles is slowly diminishing. While I love my big ass F350 for where is size and performance shines, I am more than happy to drive something much more economical where it works better.
Well, this is not a Smart Car forum so I would suspect most people on this site are using a vehicle for towing so their towing requirements would presumably be the primary consideration of their tow vehicle choice. Everything else should be secondary.

I've never really been a proponent of the bigger is better attitude and that's why I ended up in an Escape trailer. Out of pure necessity, I have a truck which in itself is a reasonably unique to North America phenomenon.
I too use my truck for everything under the sun - towing, hauling, road trips, business use and so on. I would go so far as to say a pickup truck is a much more versatile vehicle than most anything on the road.
Is it for everyone? of course not, but the compromises one makes in the interests of size, power, efficiency, etc. should be skewed in the favour of a safe and practical tow vehicle.
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