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Old 09-21-2014, 10:31 AM   #31
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Do what works for you; you don't need to defend your choice. Just don't expect others to believe that you "need" whatever you choose. ...


...By the way, you can own a utility trailer for less than the difference in price between trim levels of a vehicle. Or you can buy a truck. Still your choice.
That is my current approach. When I sold the F150 a few years ago and moved to an FJ, I began using my utility trailer for hauling stuff.
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Old 09-21-2014, 11:57 AM   #32
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The new SAE standard to determine towing capacity, J2807, has only been implemented by Toyota in 2013. This accounts for the decrease in towing for the 2014 4Runner and FJ. The big three has yet to use the new J2807 standard as noted in this link:
Standardized Tow Ratings: Why Automakers Aren't Using Them -- Edmunds.com
GM finally opted to use the J2807 standard for their 2015 models, but I haven't seen what Ram and Ford are doing. I just received a letter from GM and was expecting another recall but it was an update on the trucks towing capacity over the one in the owners manual. But it still stayed the same at 11200 pounds. I think that article was written in the summer of 2013. But it had one very good point. The manufacturers tend to "exaggerate" the numbers. Therefore give yourself that safety margin. You could take a tot of trips on what it would cost to replace a transmission. Loren
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Old 09-21-2014, 01:06 PM   #33
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I thought maybe the Highlander had been brought up to 5000 from the get-go like the 4Runner, (or the 4700 for 2014-- I see it across the board for all trim levels when I do see it now) but not the case.
The current Highlander towing capacity is 5000 lb for all versions in Canada; I think it has been for all but the hybrid since the design change in 2008. The lower versions in the U.S. do not even have the towing package available, so they have much lower ratings. We can't get an equivalent to the U.S. "LE" (2.7L) and our equivalent to the "LE Plus" (3.5L, 2WD) has the heavy-duty equipment.

I think the reasoning by manufacturers - which I think is quite sound - is that the majority of purchasers do not tow, so the equipment needed to maximize towing capacity is optional. That's in the best interest of most buyers, who don't pay for what they don't need. I think this is only a problem when you can't even get that equipment as an option.

Amusing trivia: Some Toyota models, such as the current Highlander and most if not all years of Sienna van, have included the towing preparation package as standard equipment in Canada, although it is optional in the U.S. This is either a response to what they think are more severe conditions here, or more likely it's just not worth making a distinction with our lower sales volumes. Examine specs mentioned in online discussions carefully, as they may not apply to the actual vehicle being considered.

Even trucks typically need optional equipment to reach their maximum towing capacity, but there is some assumption that a pickup truck or mechanically related SUV is more likely to have been chosen to haul stuff than other passenger vehicles, so even the base equipment level reflects that use.

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Yes, some trucks do the one-person deal too on tow capacity but I have seen it much more in passenger cars with regard to the popular ones used to tow fiberglass trailers.
Really? Every pickup I've checked has the towing capacity based on only one person in the vehicle, so they are all at least as unrealistically optimistic in that respect as any passenger or multipurpose vehicle. What did I miss?

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It is a fact that many vehicles have misleading numbers.
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Newbies tend to look only at the one towing capacity number which may be very misleading...
I don't think the published numbers are misleading so much as they are incomplete if only the trailer rating is considered, which would certainly be misleading by itself. Advertising certainly misleads, since it rarely mentions the rest of the limiting factors.
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Old 09-21-2014, 05:47 PM   #34
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As Baglo says to each our own. We have a new '14 Corolla that gets 40mpg for all our "normal" driving and the Tacoma for hauling all the stuff we "need" for working on our 27 acres. Personally, I love the long enclosed space made by the shell on the truck for all the stuff we bring camping, or when heading out on a canoe trip. Since we are both retired, the Tacoma only averages about 7,000 miles a year and most of that is from camping trips.
I could have used a pick-up for many years to many places and it would have been very handy and easier to use than the vehicles I had. I also would have been happy not to have the mess in an enclosed space. I have always preferred an enclosed vehicle though to keep rain and snow out and to be able to lock all contents.

Many folks cannot do without a pick-up for their uses. I was able to manage without one but it would have been nice to have one much of the time. They have their advantages. Depends on what you carry and how you want to carry it. Everyone has different uses and different ideas of what way is best. I, too, like enclosed space. And whether the vehicle is the primary mode matters. Lots of people here have children they are transporting every day.
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Old 09-21-2014, 08:47 PM   #35
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I think if you pulling a 19' or a 21' with a V6 you might consider upping to a 3/4 ton P/U . I drag a 17' around with a 4L V6 and it's no party .
By the time you load up for two weeks your pushing it or should I say pulling it and then trying to stop it .... If you want to white knuckle it where ever you go ..That's your trip man. Just don't kill anyone doing it ...
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Old 09-21-2014, 09:44 PM   #36
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I'm content with my 17B and RAV4 V6, but I'd be happier with a little bit more tow capacity, and I wouldn't be happy at all, towing a 19, never mind 21.
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Old 09-21-2014, 10:01 PM   #37
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I concur pulling it up one side is one thing , BUT stopping it going down the other side is another....Then you'll know horse power Vrs. braking power .

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Old 09-21-2014, 10:36 PM   #38
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Gotta say, some of the comments point out that there's lots of opinions. I don't agree with the comments about 4.0 liter ability to tow a 19. Thousands of miles of towing this year, lots of high passes and no issues. I don't expect to go up long steep inclines like I'm in a high performance car. As far as braking goes, my trailer has 4 wheels and 4 brakes, same as the truck. It seems to do a good job of doing its' share of the braking. If it didn't I'd adjust the brakes.

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Old 09-21-2014, 10:38 PM   #39
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I think if you pulling a 19' or a 21' with a V6 you might consider upping to a 3/4 ton P/U . I drag a 17' around with a 4L V6 and it's no party .
By the time you load up for two weeks your pushing it or should I say pulling it and then trying to stop it .... If you want to white knuckle it where ever you go ..That's your trip man. Just don't kill anyone doing it ...
I've driven a lot of vehicles over many decades, often in challenging circumstances, like BC's northern highways and unpaved rural roads during the Canadian winter, and am pretty well attuned to how whatever I'm driving is responding to its load and the road conditions. As I described here earlier, our 4Runner with an Andersen hitch was rock solid pulling our Escape 21 up, and down, five mountain passes last week. If it hadn't been, it would soon be on a dealer's lot, and we would have a vehicle with a higher tow capacity.

As experienced, knowledgeable trailer owners mention frequently on this site, be aware of your vehicle's rated towing capacity, braking abilities, power and torque output, and the actual load you're asking it to haul, and choose a good hitch and tires, and you and yours will be safe--as will your fellow motorists and their passengers.

If anyone feels the need for a bigger "cushion" of towing and braking capacity for safety, wants to maintain the speed limit on steep uphill grades, or wants the utility of a pickup when not towing, by all means pay the extra to buy and maintain whatever tow vehicle you need to accomplish that, as I would if I was disappointed with or concerned about the 4Runner's performance.

Rather than being a "white-knuckle" experience, towing for the first time was surprisingly relaxing because I was maintaining the speed limit or a bit under, instead indulging in my usual "get-there-itis". Pulling over at a rest stop by a river for lunch or a nap was particularly nice, compared to inhaling roadside diner food and ambience. And there's no excuse for driving drowsy when you're pulling your bed behind you.
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Old 09-21-2014, 11:00 PM   #40
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Very much common sense . We pull our 19ft with a F250!Ford and am glad for the breathing room
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