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Old 07-18-2016, 12:21 PM   #21
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Old 07-18-2016, 12:23 PM   #22
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I tend to err on the side of overdoing things.

I'd just ditto everything Jim said. I have the HD payload pkg, adds some weight to the truck and a rougher ride but worth it to me. With the supercab 4x4 and longbed I can do 2200 lbs. Personally I wouldn't go with anything less then 1500 lbs of payload but others have done so with less.

I like the power of the 3.5 EB, absolutely no issues driving through the Rockies, coming down is something this flat lander is working on. No experience with the diesel but I do like the extra power of the 3.5.

Would suggest 6 1/2' bed. I have a trifecta tonneau cover which I like, easy to remove which I do fairly often. White tape on the folded up cover works well for guide marks to back into the hitch as I can't see the hitch with the cover on.

I use a rubber mat for the bed, which is just what I prefer with a Bed Rug on the tailgate.

I use side window visors so I can leave the windows cracked open. Have the sliding rear window but don't use it.

Non powered extended mirrors. Would like to have the power foldup ones, but these will do.

Have and use the bed side fold up steps, most probably won't. Should have gotten the rear step, didn't know how high these newer trucks are.

Aftermarket in bed 7 pin trailer connector.

Nerf bars, stainless steel, at least on the 4x4.
Would you know which package includes the transmission cooler?
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:13 PM   #23
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Think it was the heavy duty tow package.
We like the tow mirrors and got many of the options others have mentioned.
We have the crew cab with a 5.5 foot bed - we discussed this with Tammy and Reace when we ordered our 5.0TA. Take a peak at theirs when you head up to the factory!
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Old 07-18-2016, 01:56 PM   #24
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Old 07-18-2016, 02:10 PM   #25
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I suggest you get a package that increases your payload to 2000 lbs minimum. My friend refers to trucks with 5.5' beds as motorized wheelbarrows. Get a 6.5' bed and a 36 gallon fuel tank.
I agree with going for the packages which Ford has assembled to make the truck more reliable and durable under heavy use. Remember that many owners of light full-sized pickups use them as big sedans, so most of these trucks (of any brand) never really do any work.

As I recall the F-150 data, even the best package choices which give you over 2000 pounds of payload will slide back under 2000 pounds if you also choose the big fancy 20-inch wheels. Those wheels are fine for this purpose - just keep in mind that you might not be able to quite meet this suggested minimum payload of 2000 pounds.

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Would you know which package includes the transmission cooler?
I don't offhand, but I wouldn't worry about it. All of these trucks will have a transmission fluid cooler; the appropriate package will have a bigger or better one. That's normally part of a towing package, because it is the multi-ton trailer which really increases load on the drivetrain, not the one ton or less of stuff the truck can carry (for which they make the payload package). With a 5.0TA, I think you want the payload package to handle the pin weight, and the towing package to provide wiring features and to handle the total weight with trailer.

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Why not just get the truck bed that fits the trailer the best?
I agree that it's best to get the bed that fits the job, but a crew cab with a longer box adds up to a lot of truck length. For some people - depending on where they live, drive, and park - it can be too much length.
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Old 07-18-2016, 02:15 PM   #26
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The second-generation (or "2017") 5.0TA design has not been seen yet, but given the precedent of the 5.0, 5.0TA, and changes in other models for the second generation, it seems likely that it will be at least a couple inches wider across the front corners, and have slightly higher pin weight than existing trailers. I would make a point of getting the truck box which readily accommodates a hitch well back from the cab; this means the 2-metre (6.5') box and results in basically ordering Jim Bennett's truck, for the reasons he has explained.
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Old 07-18-2016, 02:55 PM   #27
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I have towed my 5.0TA with a (2012) 3.5L EcoBoost and now with a 2015 2.7L EcoBoost. Both were super cabs rather than crew cabs. I went that way because I wanted a back seat for the rare times I need to carry passengers (1 time in 3 years with the 2012 F150), and I wanted the 6.5-foot bed, without having a longer tow vehicle that would have resulted with a crew cab with 6.5-foot bed. I do carry my Weber Q (in a large tote, no smells) in the back seat as well as an induction burner when traveling so only one side of rear seat is available, but could put them in the rear portion of the bed behind the hitch if necessary. Both come out upon reaching the campsite.
I did not order the truck with increased cargo capacity as my dealer looked at the numbers and told me I did not need it. I did, however, install a Roadmaster Active Suspension and I do recommend that.
I DO NOT note any loss of power when climbing mountains. The 2.7 is every bit as capable as the 3.5 was. I do, however, like the 2.7's average towing mileage of 15 - 16 mpg better than the 14 mpg at best I got with the 3.5 in the 2012. I also like the optional 35 gallon tank in the 2.7 vs. the 26 gallon tank I had in the 3.5. I should note that when not towing I get 25 mpg on the highway, but when I had the 3.5 the best I ever got was 21 mpg.
I agree with others on the Ford brake controller, although my brake control module failed when I was in Colorado, and the part was back ordered until July 22nd. Durango Ford was gracious enough to take a module off of a new, unsold truck to get me rolling again.
I do recommend Ford's towing mirrors; mine are the manual type. And I do have a low profile toolbox in front of the hitch.
All in all, I liked my 2012 3.5 and I like my 2015 2.7, but I like the 2.7 better because of it's improved fuel mileage and the larger fuel tank which results in fewer fuel stops.
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:03 PM   #28
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:53 PM   #29
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The second-generation (or "2017") 5.0TA design has not been seen yet, but given the precedent of the 5.0, 5.0TA, and changes in other models for the second generation, it seems likely that it will be at least a couple inches wider across the front corners, and have slightly higher pin weight than existing trailers. I would make a point of getting the truck box which readily accommodates a hitch well back from the cab; this means the 2-metre (6.5') box and results in basically ordering Jim Bennett's truck, for the reasons he has explained.
I would be surprised if the new mold somehow precluded the use of the F 150 SCREW Cab with the short bed. That seems to be the most popular model that Ford sells. If buying a new truck, I would go for the longer bed but since I already have a short bed I would EXPECT that I could use it to tow a new 5.0TA. The trailer body could be made wider with a slightly larger angle from the corners back. Just guessing though.
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I would be surprised if the new mold somehow precluded the use of the F 150 SCREW Cab with the short bed. That seems to be the most popular model that Ford sells.
You can handle more trailer width with a short box by shifting the hitch further back, so a slightly wider trailer doesn't completely preclude the use of a "short box" (which could mean anything in today's truck market, but means about five feet for an F-150)... it just makes the pin weight harder to handle and the trailer less stable.

Reace's personal truck is an F-150 with a 5.5' box; he tows a 5.0TA by mounting the hitch further back than normal... so even the current 5.0TA is too wide for a Ford short-box without resorting to this non-standard pin placement. There is at least one current 5.0TA towed by a Frontier with a 5-foot box, with the pin well behind the axle line for clearance, so there are precedents for this approach.

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If buying a new truck, I would go for the longer bed but since I already have a short bed I would EXPECT that I could use it to tow a new 5.0TA. The trailer body could be made wider with a slightly larger angle from the corners back. Just guessing though.
The first generation 5.0TA could be a lot narrower at the front corners, too, but it's not.

There's no taper at all in the current 5.0TA (or original 5.0) loft area. The current loft area is slightly narrower than the rear part of the body only because its widest point extends the line of the body at a level well above the waistline, where the body has reduced in width by a couple of inches due to the inward slope of the walls. If the same design is used with the vertical walls of the second generation, the loft area will be the full 88" (2.2 m) width of the rest of the body.

Introducing a taper (narrowing toward the front as seen from above) of the loft area seems like a good idea to me, but I have no idea if Reace is actually doing that. I suggested it in the last round - the 2013/2014 replacement of the 5.0 with the 5.0TA - but Reace chose to go another direction...
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How about putting the front corners the same width apart as the original 5.0, then angling the side walls out toward the full width, with smooth transition (not a sharp bend) to the parallel sides before the end of the over-truck section? This would give almost 90 degree turning for cab-to-hitch distances that allow 90 degrees with an original, and the same turning angle as the original for those with shorter cab-to-hitch distances.
There's more, but it's getting into the change to the 5.0TA design, rather than choosing an F-150. I only mentioned the potential width increase as a "heads-up", since it could be relevant to truck selection and might not have occurred to people.
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