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Old 08-23-2016, 08:18 PM   #81
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Thanks. Was at ETI yesterday. Wife gave a green light. Calling Sarah tomorrow to hold the late September date. Looks like the first trip will be south which is okay.
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Old 08-23-2016, 10:57 PM   #82
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On the Ford website I used, the 36 gal. fuel tank is available on the Lariat 4x2 with a 2.7EB.
Yes, it seems to be offered as an option in the Ford U.S. site (probably regardless of trim level and engine)... but not the Ford Canada site.

The U.S. site's F-150 Capacities list shows Fuel capacity as "Standard Range 23 gallons" and "Extended Range 36 gallons" for all cab sizes (and regardless of engine, trim, etc), but has a note on the regular cab extended range entry which says "Not available with 122"WB" (which means the 6.5' box with the regular cab - it's the only one that short).

The Canadian site's F-150 Capacities list doesn't show standard and optional Fuel Capacity; it just specifies one capacity for each combination of wheelbase and drive system.

This is an example of the good and bad of being a smaller market where less choice is offered: you don't have to pay extra to get the bigger tank in a 4X4, but on the other hand you just can't get the bigger tank in a 4X2 even if you're willing to pay for it. It is similar for Toyota towing preparation packages: they have been standard in some models in Canada (but optional and in some cases hard to find the U.S.), but other model variations are not available at all.

Back to that sales guy here who didn't know about the two tank sizes: although any 4X2 F-150 would have the smaller tank, he may legitimately have never heard of it, because 4X2 trucks have become rare here.
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Old 08-26-2016, 01:36 AM   #83
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Anyone working on an F-150 configuration my want to consider that the 2017 F-150 - at least with some engines such as the 3.5L EcoBoost - will come with the new Ford/GM 10-speed automatic transmission, the 10R80. The 3.5 EcoBoost gets an update, too. Although it is the first model year for this new design, it will be widely used (in both trucks and cars, from two manufacturers), so there will be lots of attention paid to sorting it out.

If the truck isn't needed right away, it might be worth checking when the 2017 normal F-150 actually arrives with the 10-speed (possibly late in the model year); it looks like the 2017 F-150 Raptor will be first, then the rational trucks.

2017 Ford F-150 Gets New 3.5-liter Twin-Turbo V-6 and 10-Speed Auto - News - Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
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Old 08-26-2016, 01:47 AM   #84
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it looks like the 2017 F-150 Raptor will be first, then the rational trucks.
Gotta love typos sometimes.
Or, not a typo?
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:10 AM   #85
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I've also read that all 2017 F-150's with an Ecoboost engine (both the 2.7L and the 3.5L) will come with an engine "stop/start" feature (if you want to call it that) to improve fuel economy. Step on the brake pedal, and the engine stops. Take your foot off the brake pedal, and the engine starts again. Supposedly, the feature will turn off when in "tow mode". It's not clear if one can simply shut the feature off when not towing. We've driven a Prius for the past 10 years, so I'm familiar with the general concept, but that's on a little 1.5L engine with the "big" battery to get the little car rolling for a push start. I'm not sure about the long-term wear and tear on the starter getting a 3.5L engine up and running repeatedly in stop-and-go traffic. Time will tell....
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:26 AM   #86
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I found this "feature" odd at 1st, but easily negated by pushing button on dash or lightly lifting foot from brake pedal. The engine defaults to "start/stop" each time truck is started. I don't even notice it now after 10K or so miles. It was a minor nuisance initially, but easily defeated. All the other features, etc. "Sport" mode compensate for it nicely. Love driving in "Sport" mode.!!!!!VROOOOOMMMMMM.
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I'm going to order the 2017 model, but have decided on the 2.7EB with the current 6-speed transmission in order to maximize gas mileage. We have a new Volvo XC60 that has the auto-off feature and it drives me crazy with its (very) slight lag in startup from a stop. Thankfully, it has an override button to turn it off.
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I'm going to order the 2017 model, but have decided on the 2.7EB with the current 6-speed transmission in order to maximize gas mileage. We have a new Volvo XC60 that has the auto-off feature and it drives me crazy with its (very) slight lag in startup from a stop. Thankfully, it has an override button to turn it off.
You might be surprised in the mileage department. A 10 speed transmission is very appealing, and it should help with that. I won't be in the market until 2018, so hopefully by then we'll have some hard numbers from owners to use as a comparison.

We have the auto stop/start on our Lariat, and like your Volvo, there's a button on the dash to turn it off. But, it resets every time the vehicle is shut off. There's a setting on the instrument cluster to keep it turned off if you like.

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I must also say I just love the tow/haul mode in this truck. It does a fantastic job with gear selection both going up, and descending long hills.
Thanks for that real world report Jim.
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I don't find the stop engine when in drive inconvenient, in fact I usually always used to turn off the engine if waiting for a train to cross a level crossing. On first trip without trailer just after we got the truck it was nice just to sit for a couple of minutes with my foot on the brake pedal then when train cleared just step on the gas, the start is nearly immediate. I believe it's true that it doesn't work in tow/haul mode, we've actually only had three short trips with the trailer thus far.

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