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Old 01-25-2019, 10:14 PM   #1
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I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I would appreciate input from those with experience.
We are pulling our 21 with an F150. It works ok, but when we go onto really steep inclines and mountains, it lugs down. Since I hate that feeling I was wondering if a F 250 would remedy that or is it just really over kill.
We would appreciate input from anyone towing with a larger truck.
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Old 01-26-2019, 12:47 AM   #2
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Ginger, can you give more specifics on the truck? (Year, engine, etc).

The reason I ask is, it depends on which F150 you're talking about. For example, my F150 with just a 2.7L EcoBoost V6 can easily tow a loaded 21 up a steep grade with no lug at all.

Properly equipped, an F150 is a great match, and I see no need for a heavier truck to tow a relatively light load like a 21. It's even possible to equip an F150 to tow up to 12,300 lbs - way beyond the roughly 4500 lbs an Escape 21 owner would be towing.
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:17 AM   #3
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I know, we are probably expecting too much.... no slow down, no engine sounds. The truck is 2011 v8, tow package with only 120,000 miles. We've done big mountains and it makes it. Guess we were just wondering if more was better.
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We started towing our 2015 5.0 TA with a 2014 F-150 5L V8 extended cab. The truck had adequate power but was at or above the truck's payload limit. It was slow on the big mountain climbs in the Rockies. Then upgraded to a 2016 F-250 crew cab gas engine. This gave us plenty of payload capacity with additional inside room. But, no better in the mountains and worse gas mileage. Forty thousand plus miles towing over two years gave 11 mpg. The F-150 towed at 13-14 mpg, neither very good.
Anyway, The 3/4 ton F-250 doesn't address the mountain climbing (& descending) issues unless it has the expensive diesel engine option, overkill for any Escape. That said, I will be towing with a Silverado diesel this spring (to the Escape Rally!) for the easier towing and added fuel mileage and range.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:25 AM   #5
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That v-8 is the same motor I have in my Mustang and there are lots of modifications you can do to make it more powerful. That motor can produce a lot of torque and horsepower. For my Ram 1500, I installed a CAI with a ram air hood, makes it hum at 15 mpg towing at 1800 rpm. Think of making your motor happy, it will make you happy.
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:49 AM   #6
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I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I would appreciate input from those with experience.
We are pulling our 21 with an F150. It works ok, but when we go onto really steep inclines and mountains, it lugs down. Since I hate that feeling I was wondering if a F 250 would remedy that or is it just really over kill.
We would appreciate input from anyone towing with a larger truck.
Our experiences towing our 21 with a small V8 are similar , it feels like we are always towing right on the edge . If we upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck , it will include the Diesel engine option

Truck= R1500 —5.7 liter V8 - 8 speed - 3.92 rear end
I have towed with a 2500 diesel and the driving experience is totally different .
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I know, we are probably expecting too much.... no slow down, no engine sounds. The truck is 2011 v8, tow package with only 120,000 miles. We've done big mountains and it makes it. Guess we were just wondering if more was better.
Besides the motor the next biggest factor would be your axle ratio. The transmission is also a factor. For instance an F150, 2.7 Ecoboost with 3.31 axle is rated 7600lbs tow. Same truck with 3.73 axle is rated 8500 lbs tow.
My 2016 F150, 2.7 Ecoboost with 3.55 axle is rated 7500lbs tow. Have not gone over the Rockies yet but up through the hills of Vermont, New Hamshire, Pennsylvania and North Carolina have never travelled in the slow lane towing my 5.0TA. And the ride is way more comfortable than a 3/4 ton truck. That’s my 2 cents😎
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:07 PM   #8
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I know, we are probably expecting too much.... no slow down, no engine sounds.
That isn't "too much", that's wildly unreasonable. You can buy a Class 8 heavy highway tractor with a 14-litre engine and capable of towing 60 tons and it won't climb a grade without a noticeable change in engine sound.

More engine might be "better", but when in comes with much more truck weight, it doesn't necessarily improve performance.
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I know, we are probably expecting too much.... no slow down, no engine sounds. The truck is 2011 v8, tow package with only 120,000 miles. We've done big mountains and it makes it. Guess we were just wondering if more was better.
Does your f150 have tow/haul mode? Does that help?
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Does your f150 have tow/haul mode? Does that help?
Tow/Haul mode changes the automatic transmission's shift behaviour. If anything, it will likely cause the engine to operate at higher speed, which will have the opposite effect of what is wanted here, which is to make the effect of working hard to climb a grade inaudible.
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