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Old 02-25-2016, 01:54 AM   #11
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I just checked and the current full sized F150 has a payload almost identical to my 3/4 sized Tundra. Again, it surprised me when I looked into buying it. The full sized Tundras tow more, but have the same payloads. Go figure!

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Old 02-25-2016, 06:53 AM   #12
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There is a reason all these trucks are called "1/2 ton pickups" vs the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Axles, suspension,frame,brakes, are all updated while keeping the same engine in the bigger rated models.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:01 AM   #13
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Like many "1/2 ton" trucks, our 3/4 sized Tundra has a load capacity of roughly 3/4 ton (over 1400 lbs). If I didn't have 4x4 it would haul a few hundred more pounds. So given a big enough motor these trucks will haul 3/4 ton, but that includes the passengers, canopy or tonneau, etc. The 1/2 ton label is a bit conservative for many of the modern truck models.

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Old 02-25-2016, 10:03 AM   #14
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Brian, it surprised me to learn that the 3/4 sized Tundra had about the same payload as full sized Tundras, F150's etc. The payloads vary with features like 4x4, etc. Our F150's payload was only slightly more and that was because it wasn't a 4x4.. I can't speak for the newer F150's but I would guess their payloads aren't greater than the older models. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Old 02-25-2016, 10:38 AM   #15
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No, I didn’t lose my shorts on stage, but apparently I might as well have. We wormed our way close to the front of the stage in Plaza Mayor so I could photograph/video a popular local performer/actress (?soft porn?) leading the thousands of Madrid residents in a Zarzuela sing-a-long. She asked for a volunteer and recognizing my Canadian flag asked “Senor Canada” to come up on stage. (There were few tourists and so a 6 ft Canadian stands out a wee bit.) Wanting to be a good sport, I succumbed to the urging of those around me and ended up on stage for not just a minute or two, but about 15 terrifying minutes dancing with this lady, who kept stopping to tell some story. All this in front of thousands of locals. The only help I got was from the accordionist, who spoke some English and occasionally explained what she had said or wanted me to do next. I AM A TERRIBLE DANCER AND DO NOT LEAD WELL! She referred to me as Bobbito throughout the ordeal. Anyhow, when I finally got off the stage I realized how risqué the dialogue might have been, as a local grabbed me and my wife as we left and announced he knew a good divorce lawyer. A colleague who translated the dialogue for me off the video told me that she turned red as she listened to it. Hence the handle Bobbito.
(My apologies for hijacking this thread with the explanation. Lets get back to trucking.)

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Old 02-25-2016, 11:11 AM   #16
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Thats a great story. As a long time musician, that rivals the time we warmed the Shamu the Whale act at Seaworld for a few shows.
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Great story! I like the 'travel' connection.....to trucking.....
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:39 PM   #19
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Here's my logic to determine the cab-to-axle distance, from what I can readily find without having a Tundra:
  1. The "industry standard" rails appear to be placed 22" apart on centre, and about 5" wide, according to the diagram from eTrailer in an answer to a question.
  2. The installation instructions for a Reese mounting kit (N30035) show the rear edge of the rear rail at 32.5" from the rear edge of the box floor, putting the rail centre (pin position) 46" from the that rear edge.
  3. Reese says that's 1.25" ahead of axle centre, making the distance from axle centre to rear edge about 45".
  4. The long box is about 98" long, so from the front of the box to the axle is 53". This is a bit more than half the box length, which makes sense (sanity check passed); it is shorter ahead of the axle than typical for a long box, but I think these Tundras had more overhang than other full-size trucks because they were a little short in wheelbase (although not as bad as their T100 predecessor).
  5. The standard cab with long box is built on the same wheelbase as the Access cab with shorter (76") box, so if the part of the box behind the axle is the same (which is the current normal practice for pickup trucks) the extra cab length corresponds to the box length difference of 22"; that leaves 31" from the front of the box to the axle.
For Double cab owners: the Access and Double cabs have the same box length, because the wheelbase is stretched; it looks like the stretch matches the cab length difference so the same box is used.

So, if the pin is located an inch or two ahead of the axle, there will be be 29" to 30" from cab to axle - is that enough? It seems marginal, so a hitch which can shift the pin a bit rearward (such as the B&W Patriot fifth-wheel or the Andersen Ultimate ball conversion) might be in order.

Since the pin will probably end up slightly behind the axle, plan for the entire pin weight (plus a bit, and some cargo, and about 60% of the rear seat passenger weight) to be added to the rear axle load.
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:39 AM   #20
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I'll measure it after I get it back from my mechanic whose doing an exhaust manifold repair. I was also looking at the PullRite thread you started. Seems like that would also have the benefit of the pin shift also? I like that mount system as I am a complete newly. The last time I pulled a 5th wheel was over 40 years ago when I was 22 and had better eyes
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