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Old 12-25-2014, 03:40 PM   #131
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Hi: ATHiker... Also included is a driver...although "Slim Fast" is optional!!!
I don't think curb weight would normally include a driver allowance, because the driver is not part of the vehicle. The driver would normally need to be included in the payload. Rated towing capacity is normally calculated with a fixed driver weight allowance... although I think most of us are heftier than the allowance.
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Old 12-25-2014, 10:22 PM   #132
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BUT, lets not get back to that riveting discussion on poutine !!!
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:12 PM   #133
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Yesterday Greggo and I were deeply discussing this "Frontal Area" thread and he mentioned that I now have adjustable frontal area with my new tilt-up solar panel system and that there may be advantages or disadvantages to running with the panels up all the time. That would save me some time when I set up camp. I already get crappy mileage pulling the trailer so I'm thinking the additional drag from the panels may give me better stability and improved traction. Why not run with them popped up and see what happens? What do you think?
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Old 12-27-2014, 10:38 PM   #134
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No Steve, I don't think your panels are ideal; you need one of these real wings... without the car underneath, and without the asymmetry.

By the way, adding drag on top of the trailer pulls it back, and the tongue up, which is not good for the tug's rear axle traction and thus for stability.
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:33 AM   #135
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Better traction would come from rear wheel drive; that's why Formula One racecars use it.
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:58 AM   #136
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Old 12-28-2014, 02:03 AM   #137
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I've seen lots of those solar arrays on the NASA site.
If you could launch it into space it would work great.
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Old 12-28-2014, 02:04 AM   #138
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Better traction would come from rear wheel drive; that's why Formula One racecars use it.
Hmm... not a lot of front-heavy F1 cars, are there? Not many family SUVs which accelerate at over 1 G, either. Perhaps the traction scenarios are not quite comparable. But big wings are definitely the ticket, the sprint and F1 cars prove it!

Okay, Steve: the big wing goes on the Pilot, and then it won't matter whether the panels are left up or not... but you'll want a slightly more powerful Honda V6 (more than double the power), although it's only a 1.6 litre.
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Old 02-05-2015, 01:36 AM   #139
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ATHiker - I'm sorry I didn't see your question until now although someone did direct you toward the 2015 Jeep GC Manual. I have the 2014 3.0L Diesel 4x4 and it was listed in my manual as 7200 max. GTW and 720 max. trailer tongue weight.
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Yesterday Greggo and I were deeply discussing this "Frontal Area" thread and he mentioned that I now have adjustable frontal area with my new tilt-up solar panel system and that there may be advantages or disadvantages to running with the panels up all the time. That would save me some time when I set up camp. What do you think?
Save time? Why rush?
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