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Old 12-20-2014, 06:45 AM   #11
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I've got the feeling the rounded areas of the front don't count completely on the escapes, maybe half. What's the actual flat surface area of the 17 compared to the total front profile? With the box on the front you probably have even less flat area as it's streamlined too.

Are you counting the ground to trailer distance in your calculations?
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:52 AM   #12
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Interesting conversation and one I am sure many have not considered. Ford appears to be one of the few that is proactively publishing the Frontal Area information. For the majority of vehicle there does not appear to be much data, if any, available ... yet
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:30 AM   #13
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frontal area

I am aware of the jeep info and really notice the drag with head wind or tailwind. I figure a bigger engine compensates rather nicely.
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Old 12-20-2014, 11:15 AM   #14
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Can't.
I'm watching Corner Gas, The Movie.
Thanks for the movie tip. Never heard of it before! Looks like another Canadian gem that you folks kept to yourselves! I got hooked on Trailer Park Boys after seeing an episode a few years ago. Aside from the language, its hilarious!

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Old 12-20-2014, 01:22 PM   #15
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I am aware of the jeep info and really notice the drag with head wind or tailwind. I figure a bigger engine compensates rather nicely.
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Jack, while I am sure the bigger engine helps, its the transmission that takes the brunt. I met a guy once that totaled his transmission in a full size Chev with 500 cu in. trying to buck a headwind crossing Saskatchewan with a camper on the pickup. A trans temp gauge would help monitor the situation.

However, having said this I think all of us have done our part by owning an Escape. If you can't pull an Escape you can't pull anything. Just take it easy and don't over do it when you are up against the wind.
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:32 PM   #16
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Thanks for the movie tip. Never heard of it before! Looks like another Canadian gem that you folks kept to yourselves! I got hooked on Trailer Park Boys after seeing an episode a few years ago. Aside from the language, its hilarious!

Any other recommendations
Aside from also being hilarious, Corner Gas is nothing like Trailer Park Boys. It helps to know a bit about life in Saskatchewan, and why grumpy old men like to say "Jackass".
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Old 12-20-2014, 01:44 PM   #17
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I apologize for calling it nonsense.
Don't apologize for using the word nonsense. If you think something does not make sense, then nonsense is the perfect word to use.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:31 PM   #18
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Ford in their towing guide advises to take total frontal area into "consideration". They also indicate some low values as limitations. Our Ford Flex and 19 is well beyond the "limitations" Ford lists. I tend to feel the word consideration makes more sense when actually towing. I watch our fuel consumption and when headwinds cause the consumption to go up a lot we slow down.
http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...TTgde_Sep9.pdf
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I have noticed that Dolly Parton has no problem touring the country.
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Old 12-20-2014, 02:37 PM   #20
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Yeah but in this case it isn't nonsense and feel my main point has been entirely ignored- that V-6 engines are a dubious choice to pull both 19 (but especially) 21 Escapes when both weight and frontal area are factored. As mentioned in many a discussion, there's a lot more to consider when choosing a TV than just the stated tow rating given my the manufacturer. This is a spec that hasn't been discussed here before but has on several other forums. Slippage on the torque converter is a problem when the engine doesn't send enough power to it resulting in more heat. Jack's V-8 most likely does help reduce this effect.
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