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Old 06-29-2015, 11:48 AM   #41
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When I was looking for a new tow vehicle, fuel efficency was far down my list of necessary attributes .Towing capacity ,payload ,braking , handling, ride ,comfort ETC were more important than fuel economy . I would rather loose a little gas mileage than being exhausted at the end of the day from white knuckle towing . I have often questioned the logic of buying a 35k + Escape 21 ft and then towing it with an inadequate vehicle just to gain 1 MPG. Gaining better fuel econom at the cost of safety is not a fair trade IMHO. I tow with a 1/2 ton fullsize pickup truck with a 5.7 liter V8 , +WDH and find it adequate for towing my trailer.
Everyone has a different comfort level , so what you value may differ
Image. People are so concerned about that anymore it seems. Have to be this- gotta do that, lest we incurr the scorn of peers, neighbors, etc. Owning gas guzzlers, especially in more liberal areas has been politically incorrect for some time now.
Am with you though, safety first. I used to look at the mpg reading a lot when first starting to tow and my wife asked "can we not afford this?"
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Old 06-29-2015, 11:55 AM   #42
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I wonder what the hit will be when you go to sell or trade a manual transmission vehicle. Sort of like a trailer without a bath.
I have both, in my case the answer is "who cares?".

I drive vehicles until they aren't worth repairing and have no value. The trailer value will be my daughter's problem when I'm gone.

Both of my daughters drive manual transmission vehicles by choice. They can get $1-2000 more car for their money by doing so. Both are graduates of "Dad's school of driving" and are very proficient at manual transmissions (as well as parallel parking and changing tires).
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:12 PM   #43
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Based on the above posts, it looks like the best mpg I can expect when pulling my 17b, is around 15-16 mpg, perhaps with a RAV 4 or Ford Ranger. When thinking about mpg, I'm curious if anyone would recommend any other tow vehicles I should consider, besides those mentioned above.

I might note I bought a new Prius last year, and would like to buy a used tow vehicle. Thanks.
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I bought a 2011 Honda Pilot for towing. It is factory-equipped with a tow pkg. and is rated at 3500 lbs. V6 - 250 HP; 253 ft-lbs torque. It'll be perfect for my 17; tow weight loaded will be at 2700-2800 lbs, which is right at 80% of capacity.

I also have a Prius for towing (see photo documenting capacity):
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:32 PM   #44
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When I was looking for a new tow vehicle, fuel efficency was far down my list of necessary attributes .Towing capacity ,payload ,braking , handling, ride ,comfort ETC were more important than fuel economy . I would rather loose a little gas mileage than being exhausted at the end of the day from white knuckle towing . I have often questioned the logic of buying a 35k + Escape 21 ft and then towing it with an inadequate vehicle just to gain 1 MPG. Gaining better fuel econom at the cost of safety is not a fair trade IMHO. I tow with a 1/2 ton fullsize pickup truck with a 5.7 liter V8 , +WDH and find it adequate for towing my trailer.
Everyone has a different comfort level , so what you value may differ
Steve Dunham, I'm new to this hobby...I've never owned an RV, and have never pulled a trailer. My hope was that someone would identify a good quality tow vehicle, that had plenty of power, and that would tow my 17b at 25 mpg. I can see now that option apparently does not exist (for now I'm trying to stay away from the new high mileage pickup trucks). Your post makes an important point -- mpg is not everything, and perhaps not even the main thing. Thanks for the good insight.
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Old 06-29-2015, 12:45 PM   #45
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Image. People are so concerned about that anymore it seems. Have to be this- gotta do that, lest we incurr the scorn of peers, neighbors, etc. Owning gas guzzlers, especially in more liberal areas has been politically incorrect for some time now.
Am with you though, safety first. I used to look at the mpg reading a lot when first starting to tow and my wife asked "can we not afford this?"
My sentiments exactly . Why would one buy a trailer when they know that they either do not own or cannot afford to buy an adequate tow vehicle . I live in a rural area and the vehicle of
vehicle of choice is a pickup truck. The choice for us is whether to get a 1/2 or 3/4 or 1 ton - color -and Ford ,Chevy or Ram, To me affording a trailer also includes the cost of a proper tow vehicle , fuel , camping fees ,necessary equipment, repairs ,maintenance ETC,.
I have a buddy who bought a large Class A motor home.
The motor home sits in his yard because he cannot afford the fuel to take it on the road.
It is now a 50K storage shed. According to my PC friends, a travel trailer / motor home falls in the same category as a gas guzzling vehicle. To them ,tenting is the only PC method of camping. I can't win the argument so I don't try.
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:05 PM   #46
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Steve,
I bought a 2011 Honda Pilot for towing. It is factory-equipped with a tow pkg. and is rated at 3500 lbs. V6 - 250 HP; 253 ft-lbs torque. It'll be perfect for my 17; tow weight loaded will be at 2700-2800 lbs, which is right at 80% of capacity.

I also have a Prius for towing (see photo documenting capacity):
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Dfandrews: Appreciate your comment about the Honda Pilot...my sister pulls her 19' trailer with her 2007 Honda Pilot and it works great for her. I had to laugh at your Prius photo -- looks exactly like mine!
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:28 PM   #47
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According to my PC friends, a travel trailer / motor home falls in the same category as a gas guzzling vehicle. To them ,tenting is the only PC method of camping. I can't win the argument so I don't try.
I hear you Steve. I've had a few PC friends but they don't stay friends for long. They worry too much about trivial crap and not the really important things in life. Not much of a basis for friendship.

I also agree that your tow needs to have a margin and that mpg shouldn't be the first consideration. In our case though, we can almost 'have our cake and eat it too' - a full size and extremely capable tow vehicle that actually gets great mileage.
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Old 06-29-2015, 01:30 PM   #48
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Dfandrews: Appreciate your comment about the Honda Pilot...my sister pulls her 19' trailer with her 2007 Honda Pilot and it works great for her. I had to laugh at your Prius photo -- looks exactly like mine!
Steve,
Glad you enjoyed the photo.
The other laugh we have is the morning debate over who will be driving the most during the day: they get the Prius. At the end of the year, I'm guessing that the Prius will accumulate 3X-4X the non-tow mileage of the Honda.
Prius - 44 mpg
Honda - 16-24 mpg depending on the amount of city street driving (and whether it's my wife's light right foot or my Pb foot on the gas).
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:52 PM   #49
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My Ranger is rated at 5,600 lbs -- but I'm not at all sure I'd want to tow something heavier than my 17B with it, or that I'd want to tow the 17B with a vehicle rated at 3,500 -- that's my personal comfort-level feeling.

Gas at $3/USgallon!? I (we Canadians) should be so lucky! This week we're closer to or even above $5!
I've done everthing from the US South to Fairbanks, Alaska with my 2011 Ranger with a canopy and kayak on top towing our 19. Tons of high mountain passes. A little slow sometimes but it does the job.

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The choice for us is whether to get a Ford ,Chevy or Ram
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I guess they don't drive Toyota's in Wisconsin.

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