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Old 06-20-2016, 06:53 PM   #1
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I need to ask if it's possible to pull an Escape 5.0 or 5.0TA with a full size Ford F150 without any special modifications? I have just been "freaked out" to find out that this is an issue with other 5s
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:08 PM   #2
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The newer Ford F150's are rated by Ford for 5th wheel towing when properly equipped. Ram and Toyota are not rated by the manufacturer for 5th wheel towing. I would check your owners manual. Payload is still a major issue even with a " full size truck".
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I tow Ten Forward, a 2014 Escape 5.0TA with a 2014 Ford F-150 w/ecoboost and it's a great combo.


Is that what you're asking?
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:27 PM   #4
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D: We have an older Scamp and need more space so we've been considering the Escape 5.0 but have learned to solve the technical issues before we get too deep into any project. Practical experience is a great teacher. Anyway, I'm trying to learn about hitching a 5er. I've towed a gooseneck horse trailer for years but never even looked at a 5er until recently. I've just found the Fifth Wheel Street site relating information about fifth wheel safety so I was reading around and thought I'd ask about my F150. Glad to know that someone who really pulls uses the F150 successfully. Thanx
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Old 06-20-2016, 08:00 PM   #6
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We pull our 5.0TA with a GMC Sierra 1500 short bed (5'8") and have no problems. We do not use a slider hitch. Our owners manual says that the 1500 is not designed or approved to pull 5th wheels. There are a couple of us on the board with similar GMC/Chevy rigs. I do wish that I had at least a 6 ft bed, but the current setup works fine. The F150 equipped with the ecoboost and a tow package are very capable rigs and would pull the 5.0TA with ease. I have seen them pull smaller, full size conventional 5th wheels. Best of luck to you.
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I need to ask if it's possible to pull an Escape 5.0 or 5.0TA with a full size Ford F150 without any special modifications? I have just been "freaked out" to find out that this is an issue with other 5s
What F150 do you have. The Ecoboost engines will tow, and I know most newer ones also have the payload capacity.

Heck, my temporary fifth wheel trailer (until the 2017 5.0 TA comes out) weights about 2,080 kg, (4,576 lb) lb dry, and my 2015 F150 3.5 litre Ecoboost pulls it with ease. With a pin weight of 460 kg dry I am pushing the payload rating though, but I just suck my gut in to save a few pounds.
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Trucks can be too small to tow a fifth-wheel trailer - even for the lighter "full-sized" pickups the total trailer weight or the pin weight can be too much. An Escape 5.0TA is much lighter than most fifth-wheels but can have too much pin weight for many full-sized trucks due to the configuration of the truck (options); however, it's not a problem pulling an Escape if the truck is properly equipped. The F-150 specifically can easily be purchased with a suitable configuration to handle the load of an Escape 5.0 (but it is possible to configure one which will not properly handle the trailer).

Due to the assumption that all fifth-wheel trailers are very large, some trucks which are perfectly capable of towing an Escape 5.0TA will appear to be not recommended for fifth-wheel towing. They can still be used if a suitable hitch is available, and if all load ratings (GVWR, GAWR, GCWR) are observed. There is a good selection of fifth-wheel hitch hardware available for the F-150.

Trucks can be too large to tow the smaller fifth-wheels. The problem is that the sides of the box can be too high for the front of the trailer to clear. The current 5.0TA is built taller than the original 5.0 to help with this, and the suspension of both generations of Escape fifth-wheel can be adjusted (or modified) to suit the truck. The tallest pickups can still be an issue, but most pickups work for the 5.0TA, and especially the lighter full-sizes (Ford F-150, Chevrolet/GM 1500, Ram 1500, Toyota Tundra, Nissan Titan). A stock F-150 is not too tall, although if you go nuts with raised suspension and silly tires it could easily be made too tall.
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I need to ask if it's possible to pull an Escape 5.0 or 5.0TA with a full size Ford F150 without any special modifications? I have just been "freaked out" to find out that this is an issue with other 5s
We pulled our 5.0 with a 2010 F150 for two years including trips to southern ON, TX, NM, and AZ. We were so confident pulling it with that truck we just traded it for a new 2.7EB and taking it out with the trailer first time on Thursday.

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I've just found the Fifth Wheel Street site relating information about fifth wheel safety so I was reading around and thought I'd ask about my F150.
The "half ton" page of that site includes this note for the shortest-wheelbase (141 inch) variation of an F-150:
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* FWS does not recommend this short wheelbase truck for 5th wheel towing and one would be wise not tow a TT too long in length
That's a little alarmist, because it completely ignores the variation in fifth-wheel trailer size. Sure, you probably should not tow a 34-foot 12,000-pound trailer with it, but an Escape 5.0TA is only 21 feet long and half that weight.

I haven't seen anything too bad in this site yet, but one should keep in mind that they are assuming large trailers.

Also, their calculator appears to assume that the pin weight will be 20% of the trailer's total weight; that's fine as a starting assumption, but too high for an Escape 5.0 or 5.0TA. The 2016 specs for the 5.0TA show 600 pounds on the pin for a 3700 pound dry and empty base condition trailer; as you add options and your stuff it doesn't change much so if you loaded it all the way to the maximum allowed weight you would probably still have no more than 15% of the trailer's weight on the hitch.
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