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Old 05-20-2014, 09:30 PM   #41
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No disrespect to anyone, but I personally think that everyone way overthinks this. I searched for years for a trailer and stayed confused about all of this. Then it was explained very simply to me. If your tow vehicle has a tow capacity less then the GVWR of the trailer, then you should not tow it. If your truck can pull 6000 pounds, then a 5500 GVWR leaves you room all the way around.
Sadly, life is not this simple. A typical pickup with a 6000 pound towing capacity can only tow that if there are no passengers, no cargo, and not even any options on the truck... it could easily be overloaded with a 5000 pound trailer, even if the tongue weight is ideal. On the other hand, my 3500 pound rated minivan can still handle 3500 pounds of trailer even with 800 pounds of passengers and other stuff in the van.

If your truck is rated to pull up to 6000 pounds, then a trailer with a 5500 GVWR may not leave you any room... it may be overloaded.

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If your TV has a Tow Capacity of 3500 pounds and you have a trailer GVWR of 5500 pounds (even if empty weight is 2500 pounds), you will get hurt.
Again, not so simple. My trailer does weigh about 2500 pounds empty, and 3000 pounds loaded for travel; my van does have a tow capacity of 3500 pounds, and the rig is just fine... within all limits (axle, hitch, GVWR, GCWR, trailer weight capacity) and performs well. There are other tugs with a 3500 pound rating which would be overloaded with the same trailer and same load in the tug.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:07 PM   #42
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Agreed - not simple at all...

I have the detailed specifications in front of me for a 2014 Tacoma. The most important one, in my opinion, is the Gross Combined Weight Rating. With either transmission, V6, 4X4: it is 11,100 pounds. With the truck curb weight of 4100 pounds (which I was told by one of the above forum members, includes a tank of gas) leaves 7000 pounds to play with. If I leave the firewood at home, and keep the passengers at 300 pounds, I believe I can keep the truck & 5.0TA combination under 11,100. And if I did my math correctly, that gives me a 1500 margin for error.

Let me thank everyone for their contribution - its probably time to move on to other topics. And sometime between now and Monday morning I will be talking to Reace about this concern. I think his word should be the last - and I will be paying close attention.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:06 PM   #43
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I found a picture that I thought might help. This is what I looked like on vacation last summer. Wet weight on the BMW is ~600#, tongue weight for the T@B was 150#. This is a 2009 Tacoma SR5 6spd manual with the towing package.



I did 70ish from Boulder to Yellowstone with minimal problems. You can see from the picture that I'm pushing the bed and load capacity; but it didn't really cause me any problems. I've traveled west, similarly loaded. From Georgetown to Silverthorne, I will be one of THOSE people in the right lane trying to urge my truck up. 3rd/4th gear 40-45mph is the best I can do.
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Old 05-21-2014, 03:37 PM   #44
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I have a 17B that I tow with a 2011 Tacoma Access Cab, manual 6 speed transmission. and am pretty comfortable with that combo. Careful, as too many overestimate the tow vehicles capacity and get too large of a trailer for it, then need to either upsize the tow vehicle or down size the trailer. I've talked to a few who towed a 19' with a Tacoma, they seemed satisfied as well. Not sure about a 21 or larger.
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Agreed - not simple at all...

I have the detailed specifications in front of me for a 2014 Tacoma. The most important one, in my opinion, is the Gross Combined Weight Rating. With either transmission, V6, 4X4: it is 11,100 pounds. With the truck curb weight of 4100 pounds (which I was told by one of the above forum members, includes a tank of gas) leaves 7000 pounds to play with. If I leave the firewood at home, and keep the passengers at 300 pounds, I believe I can keep the truck & 5.0TA combination under 11,100. And if I did my math correctly, that gives me a 1500 margin for error.

Let me thank everyone for their contribution - its probably time to move on to other topics. And sometime between now and Monday morning I will be talking to Reace about this concern. I think his word should be the last - and I will be paying close attention.
"It really depends on what your expectations are".
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:44 PM   #46
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"It really depends on what your expectations are".
For a reference point, my (now wrecked) 4Runner with no tow, could barely do 55 from Georgetown to Silverplume (7.5%), and even less the last mile before the tunnel. So my expectations are somewhat constrained.

I just got off the phone after a long conversation with Reace. He is of the opinion that the weights are reasonable. The only one really in question is total payload (max 1470). "Keep the 5.0TA in balance at 750-800 lbs on the pin and no firewood in the truck, and I should be ok." OK does not mean going the speed limit on the uphill sections, which for benefit of the flatlanders, means a couple of hours or more being the slow guy at the head of the line. Not ideal for anybody, but I use the pullouts and let others pass as often as is safe. Should bother the driver more than the truck. No gear hunting with the manual transmission and a proper gear on the downhill. If it doesn't work according to plan, I'm willing to bet I could get a fair resale and downsize in 2016, but let's assume that is a worst case scenario.

So, by mid summer 2015, I may be the guy with the little truck towing a big 5th. wheel.

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...... So, by mid summer 2015, I may be the guy with the little truck towing a big 5th. wheel.

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So, by mid summer 2015, I may be the guy with the little truck towing a big 5th. wheel.

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Tacoma/Escape races up I-70?
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Tacoma/Escape races up I-70?
Hmmm, sounds like the tortoise vs. the snail.
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Certainly consider your alternatives. I know this is what you want but this tow and trailer are going to be marginal requiring a constant balancing act with little room for error.
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