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Old 02-20-2013, 01:32 PM   #1
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Giving up on an Escape 19...

Well, seriously reconsidering it... Because of tow vehicle considerations...

Currently I pull a small tent trailer with a small SUV. When I upgrade the trailer, I have to upgrade the tow vehicle.

I had my eye on the Escape 19, which has a GVWR of 4000lbs. Looking at the new car market, it seems the only economical choice to pull this much weight is a full-sized truck (F-150 or similar) with a smaller engine. Yeah, there are alternatives but they're all either a lot more expensive, or both more expensive and have worse fuel economy.

I don't like big trucks. I'm going to have to drive this vehicle for my daily commute and run-around. I tried to convince myself I could get used to it, but I just couldn't make myself happy with the decision. But the only alternative, if we keep the decision to buy the Escape 19, is to put maybe another $10K into something like a highlander.

So now we're looking at maybe going with a smaller trailer so we can keep the trailer's GVWR at 3500lbs. That opens up some other tow vehicles.

But I'm kind of bummed...
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:15 PM   #2
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Doug, here is my take on this. I know this is just my opinion and it is jaded by the fact that i am a mechanic and have come to except that vehicles present a lesser problem for me. I personaly feel that you buy the trailer that will suit your needs and make you happy long term. It will last alot longer than the tow vehicle. I do apreciate that vehicle choices are are alot more complicated and srtessful for most.
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:41 PM   #3
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What put us over the edge on the full sized truck was seeing a friend's parked on our driveway. We have an odd parking area, and his truck filled it up. Having it there made it very awkward getting other vehicles in and out. If we decided we had to have an F-150 or equivalent, we'd have to do something with our parking area -- another expense. Plus we recognized that there's no way a full-sized truck will fit in our garage, which is a serious consideration here in Ottawa in the winter time. These realizations were the final straw.

Given the cost of accommodating a full-sized truck (modifications to parking area/garage) it might actually be cheaper to go with a Highlander.

But yeah, deciding that for practical reasons I needed to go with less of a trailer than I had my heart set on is definitely part of what is making me feel down.

Plus, the next available build slot for a 15 or a 17 is a couple of months after the next available build slot for a 19! I need my instant gratification!
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #4
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What put us over the edge on the full sized truck was seeing a friend's parked on our driveway. We have an odd parking area, and his truck filled it up. Having it there made it very awkward getting other vehicles in and out. If we decided we had to have an F-150 or equivalent, we'd have to do something with our parking area -- another expense. Plus we recognized that there's no way a full-sized truck will fit in our garage, which is a serious consideration here in Ottawa in the winter time. These realizations were the final straw.

Given the cost of accommodating a full-sized truck (modifications to parking area/garage) it might actually be cheaper to go with a Highlander.

But yeah, deciding that for practical reasons I needed to go with less of a trailer than I had my heart set on is definitely part of what is making me feel down.

Plus, the next available build slot for a 15 or a 17 is a couple of months after the next available build slot for a 19! I need my instant gratification!
Sometimes they will shuffle the slots depending on orders .
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Old 02-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #5
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From our experiences I can vouch that 17's are wonderful trailers and people are pulling them with relatively small vehicles like the Toyota RAVs quite successfully.

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Old 02-20-2013, 04:02 PM   #6
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One of the thoughts we considered was a 17A and finding a 2012 6-cylinder RAV. We're been quite happy with our 2001 4-cylinder RAV, but it doesn't cut it as a tow vehicle for a 3500lb trailer.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:17 PM   #7
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Not that I recommend it, but my buddy tows a Escape 19 with a Hyundai Santa Fe. Fewer horsepower than the RAV4 V6, but he seems happy. But, like RAV, the 2013 Santa Fe no longer has the V6. You have to step up to a 7-passenger version that is six inches longer and more expensive.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:19 PM   #8
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Doug, if cost of the tow is a driving factor in your decision, why not buy used? There are lots of great used vehicles for less than half their original cost.

Like Dave alluded too, though less in purchase price new, your trailer will hold value better, and last through many tow vehicles if you so choose. I would get the trailer that works well for you, not to say that a 17 could not be the one.
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Old 02-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #9
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One of the thoughts we considered was a 17A and finding a 2012 6-cylinder RAV. We're been quite happy with our 2001 4-cylinder RAV, but it doesn't cut it as a tow vehicle for a 3500lb trailer.
Too bad Toyota stopped offering the V6 RAV4-- I bet any new 2012s are hot sellers if you can still find one. What about the V6 Subaru Outback 3.6? Are they available with a tow package.

(I'm glad we have the garage space and need a pickup out here in the boondocks anyway because I really like towing with our Tacoma with the tow package. It seems to barely know the 17B is back there unless we are on really steep grades.)
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