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Old 02-20-2016, 03:55 PM   #51
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Brian having truckers in the family . I know stay away from big trucks including semi 's . They lose their brakes all the time . What do you think the runaway ramps are for ? Pat
Interesting - I don't have any truckers in the family, but in three decades of driving through mountains on vacations I've never seen a runaway lane that appeared to have been used, and only heard of it on the news a couple of times (yes, I know what they're for). I'm not so worried about the trucks and would rather drive among them than with most of the amateurs... but more importantly, this is unrelated to speed climbing hills, right? The big rigs are slow up them, and as long as everyone drives responsibly we all get where we're going without that causing a problem. If some Escape owner's reasonable tow vehicle can't pull the Escape up a mountain pass a Mach 2, no one is in danger because of it, and a 400+ horsepower pickup truck is not required.

In many mountain areas the uphill sections have an extra lane to allow faster traffic to pass those vehicles which are slow because they are heavy - whether they are commercial trucks or RVs. I think that the bigger risk of holding up traffic and causing the impatient to take excessive passing risks is on descents and in curves, where speed has nothing to do with power, and highway designers have not allowed for unreasonable obstruction to traffic flow.
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Old 02-20-2016, 03:56 PM   #52
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The problem we have on the east coast is salt, salt on the roads for snow removal and ice and salt from being close to the ocean. Salt plays havoc with metal and after 5-8 years rust spots will start to appear. I think most people here get rid of vehicles not because of wearing out, but from rusting out.
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Here's a visual: Cowboys on Shetland ponies, that's adequate right? And no, not everybody is right on this issue. It's about safety and ultimately what is your budget for that? I've seen countless vehicles with trailers crawling up steep grades posing a significant hazard to others who had to maneuver around them. We do have a responsibility to others who share the road, indifference to them is dangerous. Hey "just go around" is plain bad manners.
Again, IF you meet the weight requirements ---- I suspect you are talking about situations where they were not met. If I have people behind on a one lane road, I either speed up or pull off the road to let others by. If there are other lanes to pass, they can pass. Ask a person towing if he knows his GCWR and GVWR and actual capacity and you will find that many do not.

Now, as never before, however, there are towing tests to compare ability among manufacturers and they are using those for towing capacity. When they say that your vehicle can tow 5000 lbs., your vehicle can tow 5000 lbs., including up steep grades.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:06 PM   #54
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Runaway lane

Saw my first evidence of a runaway lane having been used in CO between Wolf Creek Ski Area and Pagosa Springs. That road will test your tug.
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I have seen more than one runaway ramp that was used and always wondered why there wasn't a portable toilet at the end of it. If you need the ramp, you're going to need the other. Loren
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:20 PM   #56
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Interesting - I don't have any truckers in the family, but in three decades of driving through mountains on vacations I've never seen a runaway lane that appeared to have been used, and only heard of it on the news a couple of times (yes, I know what they're for). I'm not so worried about the trucks and would rather drive among them than with most of the amateurs... but more importantly, this is unrelated to speed climbing hills, right? The big rigs are slow up them, and as long as everyone drives responsibly we all get where we're going without that causing a problem. If some Escape owner's reasonable tow vehicle can't pull the Escape up a mountain pass a Mach 2, no one is in danger because of it, and a 400+ horsepower pickup truck is not required.

In many mountain areas the uphill sections have an extra lane to allow faster traffic to pass those vehicles which are slow because they are heavy - whether they are commercial trucks or RVs. I think that the bigger risk of holding up traffic and causing the impatient to take excessive passing risks is on descents and in curves, where speed has nothing to do with power, and highway designers have not allowed for unreasonable obstruction to traffic flow.
Having driven these tractor-trailer units before, I can definitely say, that for the most part they have the best, safest braking out there. Not only did we check our brakes daily, you are required to on many long downhill slopes. Of the thousands of times I have driven by runaway ramps, I did once see fresh tracks in one, about 25 years ago.

Most definitely the biggest danger on the road is not the slow moving vehicles directly, but those impatient ones that feel the need to pass. I have fit into both categories myself, thus love it when they have at least a passing lane on these long climbs.

On the subject of braking with regards to travel trailers, almost everyone I have spoken to adjusts their brakes to offer less braking than what is set up following the brake controller instructions. This is mostly because they feel uncomfortable with the pulling feeling of the trailer, which when brakes are applied in some circumstances does feel a bit jerky. This lower setting does put more reliance on the tow vehicle brakes, and in this case larger, stronger brakes would be better to have. However, if properly adjusted, trailer brakes will apply pretty much all the stopping power needed to stop the trailer, leaving the tow vehicle brakes unaffected by breaking the combined units.

My F-350 diesel is one heck of a great vehicle for towing, but I am going to be getting rid of it soon. It is just too much truck for most of my usage, other than towing a full dump trailer at 14,000 lbs, where it still has an excess of power.
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:22 PM   #57
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Now, as never before, however, there are towing tests to compare ability among manufacturers and they are using those for towing capacity. When they say that your vehicle can tow 5000 lbs., your vehicle can tow 5000 lbs., including up steep grades.
Your vehicle can probally tow more than that and safely too. IMHO they underrate capacity, because they know people will push the limits.
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Speaking of Wolf Creek Pass, did it in late Sept, about 1/2 way down you could see where a dualie had been trying to keep it on the road in the turns. Could also see how the driver tried to make the runaway ramp, unsuccessfully. Highway patrol was just putting up the barricades across the lookout for the recovery to start as we went by.

That was our first experience with mountain passes in the west. Took the rest of the day for my hands to regain circulation. So glad I had had new rotors and pads installed just before our trip.
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I am currently looking for a tow vehicle to tow my new 2016 5.0 ta that i'm picking up
the 3rd week in March. I have to ask if the 2016 v-6
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Old 02-20-2016, 05:34 PM   #60
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I've often driven up The Cut in North Vancouver and had to pull out to pass a BMW or similar car, apparently driven by somebody that is too short to press on the accelerator.
My RAV goes up that hill at 90 KPH with the trailer following. No problem.
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