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Old 02-10-2014, 07:45 PM   #11
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Hey Seamstress,

Hope the auto show was great, I am gonna miss it. But...I drive a Toyota Tundra 2012 with the 4.7 V8. Love it and it gets about the same mileage as my 2001 Tacoma V6. Our 21' will be here this summer. If you want to check out they tow vehicle or our camper just let us know, we live in Burlington NJ, about 15 miles north of philly once you cross the Ben Franklin.

It has the backup camera and all the stuff Jim mentioned. My wife loves it...ha ha but it is my daily driver. It will tow any of the above you are mentioning and with my various back troubles, once I installed the step, it has been great!

Give us a PM if you ever want to get together!

Don and Brenda
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:02 AM   #12
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"Most minivans and SUV’s are capable of towing the different Escape trailers without a noticeable increase in gas consumption, therefore keeping the investment of travel to a minimum." --ETI

If you find one of these vehicles at the auto show please let me know.
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Old 02-11-2014, 10:15 AM   #13
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"Most minivans and SUV’s are capable of towing the different Escape trailers without a noticeable increase in gas consumption, therefore keeping the investment of travel to a minimum." --ETI

If you find one of these vehicles at the auto show please let me know.
I agree with the implication: this is not a reasonable expectation, so you won't find one.

I tow our Boler 1700 (length of an Escape 17', width of an Escape 19', similar construction, loaded weight 3000 lb) with a Toyota Sienna. The Sienna is a substantial vehicle, longer in wheelbase than anything but trucks and some truck-based SUVs, as hefty as a mid-sized SUV, and powerful enough to tow the trailer easily. It burns about 50% more fuel with the trailer than on the same roads without it... which makes sense, since the trailer is three-quarters of the van's weight, and adds substantial frontal area for drag.

If your trailer doesn't change your vehicle's fuel consumption much, your vehicle is probably burning a lot of fuel even without the trailer. This is typical of trucks with large engines, not minivans an smaller SUVs.

That doesn't mean that trailers are not practical: for an extra 5 litres of fuel beyond what the van would burn by itself, we can take accommodation with us for a hundred kilometres (1.3 USgal for 62 miles, or 47 miles for a gallon).

(The quote is from The Escape in the ETI website.)
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:05 AM   #14
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I completely understand the idea of going to a show to see everything at once (and especially to check how easy there are to get into, which you can't tell from websites), but I don't think you'll find any useful towing information there. Sales people rarely know anything useful, so unless the show vehicles have their owner's manuals in them (which is very unlikely) you won't find your answers there. Well, you'll get answers, but they are likely to be incorrect. Of course the brochures will have some information, but likely less than the web sites of the manufacturers.
Just a quick note, I went last night. I will write more later. But Brian, amazingly, at least half of the reps I talked to knew immediately what the towing capacity was on their vehicles, including SUVs. All others but one could look it up fairly quickly on their mobile devices. Some could even tell me the components of their tow package. A couple reps mentioned that they are getting asked that more frequently. Guess since the Boomers have/are retiring now, it's becoming more of a subject of interest.
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:11 AM   #15
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Hey Seamstress,

Hope the auto show was great, I am gonna miss it. But...I drive a Toyota Tundra 2012 with the 4.7 V8. Love it and it gets about the same mileage as my 2001 Tacoma V6. Our 21' will be here this summer. If you want to check out they tow vehicle or our camper just let us know, we live in Burlington NJ, about 15 miles north of philly once you cross the Ben Franklin.

It has the backup camera and all the stuff Jim mentioned. My wife loves it...ha ha but it is my daily driver. It will tow any of the above you are mentioning and with my various back troubles, once I installed the step, it has been great!

Give us a PM if you ever want to get together!

Don and Brenda
Yo, neighbor! Relative to the rest of North America that this forum covers.

I went to the auto show last night and it was a blast. Some really beautiful classic cars as well as current models. I will post more about this later. Let me know when your 21' arrives. I am also thinking of a day trip to Jim's ( Cpaharley2008 ) Escape rally in PA later this year. I went to Copake, NY last year with the Fiberglass egg folks and enjoyed seeing all of the various models of those. Some Escapes included.
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:46 PM   #16
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... amazingly, at least half of the reps I talked to knew immediately what the towing capacity was on their vehicles, including SUVs. All others but one could look it up fairly quickly on their mobile devices. Some could even tell me the components of their tow package.
Excellent... but were the ones which knew the capacity correct (sales people tend to be long on confidence and short on accuracy), and did the ones who looked it up get the right number... for the vehicle as you would have it optioned and equipped? The ones looking it up are doing the same thing you can do at home, which is why I don't think that the show adds value in this respect.

Now, assuming that the reps have the right capacity value, did any of them explain the effect on that capacity of load carried in the vehicle? My van, for instance, can carry hundreds of pounds of passengers and cargo and still tow the rated 3500 pound trailer, but after that it's a compromise. With many vehicles (especially pickup trucks), if you carry so much as a one-pound coffee mug with you the trailer capacity is reduced by that one pound. (That's item #2 in my list of why excessive vehicle towing capacity is often advised.)

What I would look at in a show regarding towing is what provisions the vehicle has for hitch mounting... that's about the only thing I could see there and not see in specs published online. Even then, I usually look up the aftermarket hitch installation instructions (online) for that information.
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:12 PM   #17
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Sorry for the delay in posting the results of my visit to the Auto Show. Between snowstorms and three nights working til midnight, I had no time to put together the article on my blog. The full article is available here.

In a nutshell, the only truck that I could get in/out easily was the Toyota Tacoma. So, the 5.0TA might not be in my future.

The SUVs that I found that would work:

Ford Explorer
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Chevy Traverse
VW Touareg
Nissan Pathfinder

I tried MANY more trucks and SUVs but these were the only ones that passed this first test. Now on to do much more research. I'm not necessarily buying a new vehicle but the show helped me to limit my choices to something manageable.

Hope you enjoy the full article.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:20 PM   #18
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The towing capacity of a Tacoma with the full tow package is 6400 or 6500 pounds, depending on transmission choice. Would that not handle the 5.0TA well?
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:43 PM   #19
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Rosemary, did the trucks you tried the sit test... have running boards? I have them on my current F-150 and they make a huge difference in getting in and out. My next truck will also be a 2x4... no need for four-wheel drive and it will also have running boards.
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:02 PM   #20
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Sold an F150 to buy my FJ a couple years ago. Drove a nearly new F150 supercrew at work yesterday and was reminded how big and long these full sized trucks are. I am happy that the Escape trailers are mostly light enough that they can be comfortably towed with a small or mid sized vehicle. Of course, the new 5TA may be the exception to that.
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