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Old 01-17-2016, 03:30 PM   #61
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Three possibilities occur to me:
  1. The illustrated rating may be only a pre-production example, and not the same as the final rating.
  2. The new rating may be compliant with SAE standard J2807, while the old one may not have been - the vehicle may now be more capable, but with a lower rating due to a much more stringent standard.
  3. Priorities may have changed, and so Honda may have designed the vehicle to improve other aspects (ride? unloaded efficiency?) at the expense of towing capacity.
I don't think we'll know if it is one of these - or something else entirely - until final ratings are published.
I'm hoping for #1, but I think it's #3. We'll know in a few months. I'm not camping for the next few months anyway.
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:17 PM   #62
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I'm not understanding how a front-wheel drive platform CUV(crossover utility vehicle, not SUV)...
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The Touareg is not front wheel drive its permanent all wheel drive. It has a longitudinally mounted engine and transmission mated with a Torsen central differential which nominally distributes power 42% to the front wheels and 58% to the rear wheels. The Torsen differential is torque sensing and distributes power as required between a maximum of 60% front with 40% rear and a maximum of 80% rear with 20% front.
David has a good point that I glossed over, mostly because I was thinking of the general category rather than specifically the Touareg.

The first two generations of Touareg/Q7/Cayenne do indeed have a drivetrain which is not shared with any "car". It is quite similar to a traditional truck or SUV layout, with a longitudinal engine followed by a longitudinal transmission then a "transfer case" with outputs through propeller shafts to front and rear final drive units (bevel ring-and-pinion with differential). The biggest difference is that the parts (engine, transmission, transfer case, and front final drive) are all more closely integrated, rather than being the "seemingly random parts mounted in the same vehicle" effect which is common.

I agree with David - there is nothing "front wheel drive" about this - unlike the Honda Pilot/Ridgeline, which have a transverse engine in a layout typical of front-drive systems, and which drive only the front wheels until rear traction is needed. Not that the Ridgeline solution is wrong - it's fundamentally different.

The Audi Q7 has moved on to a new platform (MLB 2); I assume that the Touareg and Cayenne will follow. The general layout remains the same, and now the transmission is the HP8 from ZF - the same 8-speed transmission used in (among many others) Ram 1500 trucks. Although this transmission is available in a range of torque capacities, the Q7 must get a relatively heavy-duty version to handle the 443 lb-ft of torque output of this model's turbodiesel.

I think the "torque sensing" implication of the Torsen name is misleading, but these worm-gear differentials do have a nice characteristic for this application: they deliver more torque to the slower-turning output, so (in the absence of any tire slippage) as soon as the vehicle starts turning, the rear axle gets more torque. The limit on torque distribution is inherent in the differential design: the ratio between torque output to the faster-moving side (less torque) and to the slower-moving side (more torque) is typically about 3:1 for worm-gear differentials (multiplied by the normal bias in the case of planetary configurations such as the Q7). The HMMWV (a.k.a. HumVee, civilian version Hummer H1) uses Torsen differentials in both axles. In vehicles more relevant to Escapes, Toyota uses a Torsen centre differential of this same type (planetary and so not 50:50 front:rear split) in some 4Runner versions and other related models.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:56 PM   #63
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Just in case Honda fans need a fix...

I saw an item about the 2017 Ridgeline in a Car and Driver magazine in the dentist's office yesterday, and checking today it seems that they are giving it regular attention:
Dec 18: 2017 Honda Ridgeline Backs Its Thing Up for the Camera
Jan: 2017 Honda Ridgeline: The Crossover of Pickups Returns
Feb 10: Honda Trucks Up the 2017 Ridgeline Pickup with Genuine Accessories

Plus a couple of appearances albums:
The 12 Cars You Must See from the 2016 Detroit Auto Show (photos #12 and #13)
Hot Metal: The Most Anticipated New Cars of 2016 (photo #15)
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Old 05-09-2016, 11:32 PM   #64
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Price and fuel economy information published

I registered with Honda USA for Ridgeline updates, and this arrived today:
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The facts are in. The all-new 2017 Ridgeline will start at $29,475 MSRP[1], boasting an impressive 26-mpg highway rating[2]. The truck packs some serious tech into its all-new styling. Be first to know when Ridgeline is available—sign up for notification now.

[1] MSRP excluding tax, license, registration, $900.00 destination charge and options. Dealer prices may vary.

[2] 19 city/26 highway/22 combined mpg rating for 2WD models. 18 city/25 highway/21 combined mpg rating for AWD models. Based on 2017 EPA mileage ratings. Use for comparison purposes only. Your mileage will vary depending on how you drive and maintain your vehicle, driving conditions and other factors.
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  • towing numbers are still not provided
  • availability of 2WD is implicitly confirmed
  • AWD costs about 5% in fuel economy (not towing, of course)
  • The base may be US$30K, but there is a photo (we've already seen those) with this note on it, illustrating the expected cost variation:
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    Ridgeline RTL-E shown in Modern Steel Metallic. Shown at $41,370 MSRP
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Old 05-10-2016, 07:55 AM   #65
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Good summary Brian. I note that the mileage numbers they state are identical to my F150 2WD 2.7L Ecoboost V6. We'll see.
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Old 05-10-2016, 10:30 AM   #66
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The towing numbers are 3500# for the 2WD, and 5000# for the AWD.
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The towing numbers are 3500# for the 2WD, and 5000# for the AWD.
Hi Alice. Find that Escape yet?

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Old 05-10-2016, 10:42 AM   #68
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Nope, sold the Scamp, bought a 2015 T@B clamshell last year. Getting the Escape was out of my $$ range and they quit building the 15'. It wouldn't fit in the garage, so I would have had to invest about $5K to build another driveway, pad and fencing to park it. The T@B gives me the storage space I wanted for cooking, the kitchen is in the clamshell to cook outside, stores in the garage and can be towed by the RAV. When are you moving to St. George?
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There's fiberglass somewhere on a T@b, hope to see you at a rally soon. No desert for us, we decided to stay at the coast.

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Old 05-10-2016, 12:57 PM   #70
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Specs in Press Release

The notice which I received (because I signed up for updates) didn't say much, and the Honda Canada website has nothing beyond the description from the car show round, but there is now a press kit:
2017 Honda Ridgeline Press Kit - Overview

These are the only two towing references from that material:
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... robust cargo-hauling and towing capabilities, including a class-leading maximum 1,584 pound (718.5 kg) payload capacity (varies by trim) and up to 5,000-pound (2,268 kg) towing (RT AWD).
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All models also come standard with a Class III towing hitch and AWD modes add a 7-pin wiring connector.
That would presumably be the source of (or confirmation for) these values:
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The towing numbers are 3500# for the 2WD, and 5000# for the AWD.
The press info does not confirm the 3500 lb value, but I think anyone towing a travel trailer such as an Escape should assume that they must get the AWD and possibly an elevated trim or equipment level.

Other towing information - such as the hitch weight limit, use of weight-distributing hitches, GVWR and GCWR - is still lacking. I don't think most of this will be available until the actual owner's manual is released.
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