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Old 06-20-2014, 08:04 PM   #91
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I'm leery of this turning into a pointless and off-topic discussion of a controversial topic, but in direct answer to a question...

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What drives up the cost of fuel in Canada? Taxes or supply and demand? I seen more Canadians at the gas stations than locals while visiting border regions of MN & WI.
Primarily taxes, relative to the U.S.

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Depends where you live in Canada. There are vast differences province to province. Lucky Brian lives in Alberta where prices are much lower. In BC prices are higher, usually the highest in Canada, and in the Vancouver area much higher, even with oil refineries in the area. Lucky us have to pay ever increasing additional taxes for mass transit as well as a carbon tax

As a heads up to anyone visiting Escape, they're just outside the area that charges extra taxes so fill up before you head to Vancouver
As Ron has explained, the variation between provinces, and even between areas in B.C., is largely taxes. Supply/distribution and demand factors are the next effect, but I doubt that they are very different from the U.S.

While there is a Chevron refinery in Vancouver, the taxes and high local demand appear to overwhelm any supply advantage. The area of less expensive gas in B.C. is within an easy delivery truck range of Kamloops, where there is a distribution terminal fed with refined products (fuel) by the Trans Mountain pipeline from Alberta; the same pipeline feeds oil to Chevron in Vancouver as well as refineries in the U.S. northwest.

This information is all quite readily available - I checked (and corrected!) my facts for this response with simple Google searches for phrases such as "Vancouver refinery".
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:11 PM   #92
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And mean while in the US ....

A bipartisan Senate proposal emerged Wednesday to rescue beleaguered federal transportation funding by raising the tax on gasoline by 12 cents a gallon.
The proposal to hike the 18.4-cent federal tax for the first time since 1993 came from Sens. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and won quick endorsement from an array of advocates ranging from road builders to AAA.
In addition to increasing the tax by 6 cents in each of the next two years, the senators want the rate indexed to inflation. Failure to keep pace with inflation over the past 20 years, along with steadily increasing fuel economy, has caused the Federal Highway Trust Fund that receives the money to sink to a dangerous level.

A bump at the pump? Senators propose a 12-cent hike in federal gas tax. - The Washington Post
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:15 PM   #93
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The problem with taxing fuel is that people stop using it, which reduces the amount of money for roads etc.
When carbon tax is successful, it ultimately fails.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:56 PM   #94
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[QUOTE=Brian B-P;56406]I'm leery of this turning into a pointless and off-topic discussion of a controversial topic, but in direct answer to a question...

Thanks for the answer Brian...I suppose we have talked this subject to death but please feel free to stay out of the conversation of any thread that you deem has gone off topic or controversial.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:27 PM   #96
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Not towing, and on somewhat flat ground, our 4.6 L, six-speed Tundra will get 20-22 mpg at 60-65mph; at 70-75mph it lowers to 18-20 mpg. Around town it's more like 14-15 mpg.

Towing the 21' Escape, at 60-65mph, we got 13-14 mpg. We never took it any faster, but going slower, in the mountains, didn't seem to decrease mileage much at all, probably because we did slow down to 50-55mph in many of the mountains.

All in all, I was happy with the results - about the same as with our old EggCamper, (14 mpg), except I used to take it at the legal speed limit, which here in Florida is usually 75mph. (I had the high-speed Kumho tires on it.)
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:51 PM   #97
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I've been meaning to post this for a while but just haven't gotten a round tuit.

For our longer trips, we're averaging 14.5 miles/US gal., or 15.8 L/100km.

Equipment is a 2012 Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab, 2012 Escape 19.

I don't think this is too bad.

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I've been meaning to post this for a while but just haven't gotten a round tuit.
OK, here you go. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Another data point for those keeping track. We just returned from a big trip (14500km) which included flat, hills, mountains (crowsnest pass in BC, beartooth out of Yellowstone), head winds, cross winds and tail winds. We averaged 15.6l/100km according to our trip computer. That's an Escape 19 behind a Nissan Frontier (4l).
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Sounds about where I am with a 17B behind a RAV4 V6. You should be happy, I think.
I used more than 16 L/100K on my last tank. Maybe 50 kilometres towing on the flat from Chilliwack and the rest around town. I'm not happy.
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