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Old 02-09-2013, 09:28 AM   #21
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Adding to post #9, our Jeep is two wheel drive Laredo with standard suspension that was a result of Mercedes owning a major portion of Chrysler/Jeep, no air or adjustments, keeping it simple. When traveling we have +/- 380# tongue wt., two fold-up bicycles and at times a generator in the back of the Jeep and without the WDH the Jeep does not drop the rear but an inch or so and the hitch brings that back up. When we bought the 2011 GC it was a brand new item for up to half price of some other TV's we were looking at and it could be repaired at many dealers if needed. I read that Mercedes gets credit for the suspension, Dodge for the engine and Fiat for the fit and finish, a great combination I believe and I have never worked for an auto company.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:53 AM   #22
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Keep in mind the added maintenance costs associated with diesels. The oil changes typically are more , fuel filters, and def fluid that most have now. There is also the increase in repair costs, the parts are a lot more money. The thought that the engines last longer is only really true in the heavy truck world . A gasoline engine will last just as long if maintained properly in a light duty application .
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:01 PM   #23
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Keep in mind the added maintenance costs associated with diesels. The oil changes typically are more , fuel filters, and def fluid that most have now. There is also the increase in repair costs, the parts are a lot more money. The thought that the engines last longer is only really true in the heavy truck world . A gasoline engine will last just as long if maintained properly in a light duty application .
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In the long term it is pretty much a wash out between the smaller CID diesel and the larger CID modern gas engines with fuel injection, double overhead cam, and variable valve timing. Disabling cylinders is not that effective. Nor are the HEMIspheric domed pistons that once were more effective with engines that used carburetors for fuel delivery.
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The other item to keep in mind is the full air suspension, ask any range rover owner about that system and they will not be smiling. Very un-reliable and very expensive to fix. On another point , the variable valve timing is where the biggest gains are for power and fuel economy. The disabling of cylinders is in my opinion a sales gimmick , the gains are minimal. Variable valve timing lets you have your cake and eat it too.
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^^Toyota has had their issues too with air suspension
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:26 PM   #26
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Air suspension certainly adds parts, and therefore risk of failure and repair expense. Modern vehicles are vastly more complex than even a couple of decades ago, to provide the features and functions we want, and maintenance cost is part of the deal.

Range Rovers are a product of Land Rover, which was originally British, then were taken over by Germans, then became part of a global company, and now is owned by a company in India. None of this history suggest to me a good chance of high reliability or low service cost.

On the other hand, air suspension is almost universal in heavy on-the-road trucks and large buses. I haven't heard of any reliability issue with these vehicles.
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Hi: All...Since joining our local transit co. I have blown several tires, air bag susp. units, and several equalizer valves to boot!!!
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Info on new diesel and Cherokee:
1. New 3.0-liter EcoDiesel engine produces 240 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque.
2. Diesel models get a 22/30 MPG (city/hwy) rating for 4x2 models and 21/28 mpg for the 4x4.
3. V8 and diesel 4x2 models can tow up to 7,400 lbs or 7,200 lbs for the 4x4.
4. Priced at $28,795 to start, EcoDiesel models start at $40,295 plus $995 delivery.
5. In dealerships in March, diesels will be available in Q2 with SRT models arriving in April.
Link to 2014 review:http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...view-2457.html
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Hello guys..Suspension pulling on the two wheel is the better then the any wagon who run by the diesel.One wagon is pulling the other two wheel wagon without diesel of the back wagon its save the diesel.
I think you lost me here.
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never mind Tawo333, this poster is a spammer and has been banned.
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