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Old 09-05-2015, 05:02 PM   #21
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Out of curiousity is the 350 lbs tongue weight for the FWD V6?

Because the towing capacity is listed as 3500/5000 lbs for the same model with the two options either FWD or AWD. And using the 10 percent rule tongue weight then makes sense using the tow capacity.
So, are we speculating that the Kia manual has a misprint? It explictly states 350 pounds for both the 2.0L (4 cylinder) engine and the 3.3L (6 cylinder) engine.

The total trailer weight is higher (5000 lb) for the 3.3L (6 cylinder) engine, and lower (3500 lb) for the 2.0L (4 cylinder) engine. The tow ratings table doesn't mention anything about 2WD versus 4WD, and both 4-cylinder engines (2.0 and 2.4) are available with and without AWD. AWD does not change the towing ratings.

The version with the bigger engine can tow more because the engine can handle doing the work. That doesn't even remotely suggest that the structure or suspension can handle more load on the rear. If the vehicle can handle only 350 pounds on the hitch, many manufacturers would limit the trailer weight to 3500 pounds (regardless of engine) so that the tongue weight can be kept at 10%... but not everyone does that. Kia is saying you can tow up to 5000 pounds, but you still need to keep the tongue weight down to 350 pounds, even though that means that at the extreme you'll have no more than 7% tongue weight.

Also, note that I downloaded the manual from Kia Canada - if the U.S. manual is different (which is unlikely), that would change the situation.
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Old 09-05-2015, 05:07 PM   #22
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What's irksome about SUVs these days is that to get the tow package / tow rating you need, you have to buy the seven-passenger model. More expense and more weight for no good reason, unless you are starring in a reality TV show.
... or if you have extended family, or your kids have friends.

It does make sense that the same features (large engine, higher rear suspension capacity) which suit the 7-seater also suit towing. Towing is not a common requirement for mid-sized or smaller SUVs, so I'm not surprised that the equipment combinations we might want are not available.
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Old 09-05-2015, 05:47 PM   #23
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Thanks, definitely worth consideration. BUT...

7% is light in the tongue weight typical in real loading according to some towing forum recommendations.

I still feel that my Tacoma DCLB with a towing package is still my best bet. The KIA forums do say it is light in th back end when the tongue weight is applied.
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Old 09-05-2015, 06:11 PM   #24
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7% is light in the tongue weight typical in real loading according to some towing forum recommendations.
7% is low by North American towing practices. Kia designs the SUV, not the trailer, so it is your responsibility to ensure that the trailer is suitable. No Escape model has tongue weight as low as 7% of the total weight as built, and I don't think that Escape recommends going that low, so it would not be a good idea unless you really know what you're doing.

On the other hand, an Escape 19' only weighs 4000 pounds at most when fully loaded (assuming that you don't overload the trailer), so 350 pounds is almost 9%, and not a big issue. A fully loaded Escape 21' would be a problem.

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I still feel that my Tacoma DCLB with a towing package is still my best bet.
If nothing else, the Tacoma has much longer wheelbase, which is great for stability and ability to handle tongue weight.

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The KIA forums do say it is light in th back end when the tongue weight is applied.
I assume that you mean light in the front end; this is the result of not-so-long wheelbase.
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:59 PM   #25
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We made the plunge

In the end, we bought the 2016 Kia Sorento V6 w 5500 towing capacity, trading in our beloved Subaru Forester. This is the first year they have had this V6 model with AWD and the towing capacity on the market. Our Escape completion date is March 2 2016; however we are down south until April, so will pick up after we get back.

It came down to the Sorento, or the Hyundai Santa Fe. They are very similar, but the Sorento is cheaper, and 6" shorter (we have a small garage) so there you are.

So far, we are very impressed w the Kia. It has a lot more guts than the Forester, with almost the same mileage. It is taking us a while to get used to the extra width, but the back up camera is a fabulous aid. We did not feel we needed 7 passenger capability, but with this configuration, had no choice. However, they fold down flat, and with a cargo mat ($200.00) over top, it's all good.

We had a hitch installed at the dealership, which they paid for, as part of the negotiations.
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:02 PM   #26
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Congradulations.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:09 PM   #27
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My daughter has a Kia rated to tow 3500 lbs and uses it to haul a small pop up trailer.
She is having the transmission rebuilt for the second time. The transmission shop told her that the transmission is the weak link in Kia's and if she continues to tow the problem will reoccur.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:19 PM   #28
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Any chance that she is towing in overdrive?
If so, that would contribute to the problems.
My RAV4 manual says to tow in 4, not overdrive.
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Old 11-02-2015, 12:33 PM   #29
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Tongue weight of my 17B, loaded for camping is 320 - 340 lbs, measured with a Sherline tongue scale.
My WDH is labeled with its limits, which have nothing to do with the tow vehicle limits ( which are much, much less ). The hitch receiver is rated at 4,000 lb. tow and 400 lb. tongue, which is also irrelevant, since the vehicle is rated 3,500 / 350 lb.
Looking at the price range shown for that KIA, and noting that the Canadian price will be significantly higher, and keeping in mind that the tow package will only be available on the highest trim levels; I would look at the Toyota Highlander. It won't be cheaper, but will certainly have a higher resale. Kia has a ways to go before they shed their reputation as a cheap Hyundai.
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Any chance that she is towing in overdrive?
If so, that would contribute to the problems.
My RAV4 manual says to tow in 4, not overdrive.
I don't know but knowing my daughter it's entirely possible . She bought the vehicle used and the transmission had been rebuilt once under warranty . The vehicle is now out of warranty and needs another transmission rebuild . She lives in Minnesota and with the short summers , the vehicle is used for towing maybe 5 or 6 times per year and for only short camping trips. Having to have your transmission rebuilt every 50,000 miles seems excessive in my book !!
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Agreed. But, it could be a contributing factor.
BTW, it was my daughter, at age 17, who reminded me I wasn't supposed to tow in OD with my '94 Explorer. I was towing a tent trailer and encountered a menacing noise from the drive train. Mechanic told me I came very close to blowing up the converter ( about $4,000 ).
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