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Old 07-25-2017, 08:19 AM   #1
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We have a 2008 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4.7L 2WD without a factory tow package. I've been looking at our truck's stats and I'm starting to be convinced it will not be capable of towing the 5.0 in the mountains let alone on flat land well. I know we can add some things to the truck such as tranny cooler, etc., but even after doing all of that, I still don't think the truck was designed to pull much of any standard trailer let alone a small and lightweight fifth wheel.

Those with a 5.0 who are knowledgeable about truck specs and real life capabilities, what are your thoughts?
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:33 AM   #2
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We have a 2008 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4.7L 2WD without a factory tow package. I've been looking at our truck's stats and I'm starting to be convinced it will not be capable of towing the 5.0 in the mountains let alone on flat land well. I know we can add some things to the truck such as tranny cooler, etc., but even after doing all of that, I still don't think the truck was designed to pull much of any standard trailer let alone a small and lightweight fifth wheel.

Those with a 5.0 who are knowledgeable about truck specs and real life capabilities, what are your thoughts?
One (iconic) member of this Forum had been successfully towing his 5.0 with a Frontier so I doubt you'd have any problem with your Tundra. All of the standard features of my F150's tow package are available for aftermarket purchase and I suspect for your Tundra too. Do your research, but I bet you conclude that your Tundra is well-suited for the 5.0TA.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:54 AM   #3
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We have a 2008 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4.7L 2WD without a factory tow package. I've been looking at our truck's stats and I'm starting to be convinced it will not be capable of towing the 5.0 in the mountains let alone on flat land well. I know we can add some things to the truck such as tranny cooler, etc., but even after doing all of that, I still don't think the truck was designed to pull much of any standard trailer let alone a small and lightweight fifth wheel.

Those with a 5.0 who are knowledgeable about truck specs and real life capabilities, what are your thoughts?
Really? I have a 2012 4.6 l Tundra 4x4 double cab and as long as you are careful about what you put in the truck for payload it tows my 5.0 TA no problem. Your truck has a bit more cab but no 4wd so your payload should be better than mine and I assume you are talking about a single axle 5.0. Go online and check your specs but you should be just fine. Or are you trying to convince yourself to get a new truck
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:01 AM   #4
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We have the 07 Sequoia 4.7 L engine and we pull a Escape 21 with no problem . If you are towing a 5.0 single axle or the 5.0TA you should do fine .
Although mpg is 11-14 not good
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Here is some background information why we are very cautious and conservative. We don't want to repeat the same thing we did with my former Odyssey. It had a tow package and was rated to tow 3500#s. We pulled our 2400# popup with it. Needless to say it was not really a good fit and there were things we did and didn't do that played into the scenario. We didn't go to the mountains but a couple of times we hit some hill country. When I traded it in for my current Odyssey, It was not much of a trade-in. The brakes and engine were rode hard and put up wet. Not proud of what we did, but we don't want to even come close again to doing what we did before.

Since going to Colorado, Banff, and other wonderful places is what we want to do with our next trailer or third, we are looking very seriously at our the whole rig configuration. I'm really hoping those who have done this share their towing experiences and insight.

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I assume you are talking about a single axle 5.0.
We really like the 5.0 TA best. The dual axle is something we like over the Scamp among most other things.

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Go online and check your specs but you should be just fine.
I have been doing a lot of research online and running calculations with all of our numbers and I still find the 5.0 TA might not work for what we want to do with it.

Here are our truck's numbers:
GCVWR: 10,500 (probably the most important number)
GVWR Tundra: 6800
Approx. wt with us and stuff: 6000
Towing Capacity of the truck is 6500 (I'm starting to learn this # doesn't mean squat by itself)

I've used these two calculators:
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I have a 2012 4.6 l Tundra 4x4 double cab and as long as you are careful about what you put in the truck for payload it tows my 5.0 TA no problem.
I've recently learned that even in the same brand, make, and model there can be other specs that make a big difference. Does yours have a tow package? If so, that would explain a lot. We are finding a tow package can really make a difference and not just in weight capacity. One with a tow package is built with a better frame, suspension, breaking, cooling, etc. Some things we won't be able to replicate by adding them. Also we would like quite a bit of wiggle room with weight and the distribution of weight. So it may mean we need to wait. longer for the an Escape.

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Or are you trying to convince yourself to get a new truck
Nope, neither of us are wanting to get a different truck at this time. Our plan now is to keep this one for for a few years. It only has 80K on it. My husband only puts 7K on it a year. This may change, but this is the plan for "now". We have two teenagers that will be going to college in a few years.

The reason why I'm asking now is we are planners, and we don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Insight from others who have been there and done that (the good and the bad) is greatly appreciated.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:08 PM   #6
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I towed the 5.0 single with a Frontier and never had a problem. Got the TA and had no problem until I pulled Teton Pass (10% for 5 miles) and the transmission started to smell. But that could have been because the traffic kept speed down to 20mph and the cooler didn't have a chance to cool. Traded up to a 150 and have not tried that "hill" since. So I don't know if it makes a difference. I like the turning radius on the 150.
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I towed the 5.0 single with a Frontier and never had a problem. Got the TA and had no problem until I pulled Teton Pass (10% for 5 miles) and the transmission started to smell. But that could have been because the traffic kept speed down to 20mph and the cooler didn't have a chance to cool. Traded up to a 150 and have not tried that "hill" since. So I don't know if it makes a difference. I like the turning radius on the 150.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I think 1/2 tons will do fine in most conditions, but mountain driving is another thing. Since ours doesn't have a tow package, I'm thinking we may need a 3/4 ton with the tow package for our next truck. This is unless someone can share greater insight and experience.
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OP here:
Here is some background information why we are very cautious and conservative. We don't want to repeat the same thing we did with my former Odyssey. It had a tow package and was rated to tow 3500#s. We pulled our 2400# popup with it. Needless to say it was not really a good fit and there were things we did and didn't do that played into the scenario. We didn't go to the mountains but a couple of times we hit some hill country. When I traded it in for my current Odyssey, It was not much of a trade-in. The brakes and engine were rode hard and put up wet. Not proud of what we did, but we don't want to even come close again to doing what we did before.

Since going to Colorado, Banff, and other wonderful places is what we want to do with our next trailer or third, we are looking very seriously at our the whole rig configuration. I'm really hoping those who have done this share their towing experiences and insight.


Here are our truck's numbers:
GCVWR: 10,500 (probably the most important number)
GVWR Tundra: 6800
Approx. wt with us and stuff: 6000
Towing Capacity of the truck is 6500 (I'm starting to learn this # doesn't mean squat by itself)

Also we would like quite a bit of wiggle room with weight and the distribution of weight. So it may mean we need to wait. longer for the an Escape.


Nope, neither of us are wanting to get a different truck at this time. Our plan now is to keep this one for for a few years.

The reason why I'm asking now is we are planners, and we don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Insight from others who have been there and done that (the good and the bad) is greatly appreciated.
You have quite the list of requirements there. Warning: I'm of the "bigger truck is better" camp, based on my experiences/roads.

No ones seems to ever take this advice, but grab 900lbs of cement bags from your local big box store. Load up the coolers, top up the gas tank and pile everyone in for a day of driving to your favourite not-local fun spot, say 75 miles away. How did she drive? Brakes fade? Over heat? All good? Headlights pointed at the sky? Or rent a small travel trailer and get a better approximation. Said another way, get some towing miles (same weight) to build up confidence/experience.

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My two cents is you are on the right track asking "what is comfortable for the roads we'll be on". You definitely want payload numbers to be crystal clear with a 5'er. Also rear axle weights. Personally, I'm towing 4000lb bumper pull with a 7000lb rating, and some trips, I kick myself for not getting the 10000lb rated truck. Other trips (say on flat land or city driving), I wish I was towing with a Prius. That's me though. I think Cali hwy 49 was amazing/fun and love traveling on double digit gradients without overheating.


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The flip side is your truck will do "for now" when towing (ratings aside) as others have mentioned here and in other threads. Get a trailer, any trailer, and get out and enjoy the freedom. The teenagers might like sleeping in a tent next to the trailer, so three beds might not matter. Next year may be totally different than this year, enjoy the moments.


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finally, this thread may be of interest on mountain towing tips/thoughts:
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We have a 2008 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4.7L 2WD without a factory tow package. I've been looking at our truck's stats and I'm starting to be convinced it will not be capable of towing the 5.0 in the mountains let alone on flat land well. I know we can add some things to the truck such as tranny cooler, etc., but even after doing all of that, I still don't think the truck was designed to pull much of any standard trailer let alone a small and lightweight fifth wheel.

Those with a 5.0 who are knowledgeable about truck specs and real life capabilities, what are your thoughts?
Hi: Misc99... (Iconic) member here... We have towed both a single axle and double axle Escape trailer with our 2010 V6 4X4 Frontier w/out tow pkg. since new. The truck now has 145,000 km's on the clock and still has the original trans fluid in it!!! I have it checked regularly by my mech.
Both of these trailers were designed to be pulled by this truck, as that's what Reace drove at the time, to pull ETI trailers. Alf
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The flip side is your truck will do "for now" when towing (ratings aside) as others have mentioned here and in other threads. Get a trailer, any trailer, and get out and enjoy the freedom. The teenagers might like sleeping in a tent next to the trailer, so three beds might not matter. Next year may be totally different than this year, enjoy the moments.
Gotta agree with Bruce here. Your Tundra will tow a 5'er. If that's what you want, go for it. You can always get a "more capable" truck later. The transmission cooler is a sound plan. Just watch your payload.

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Hi: Misc99... (Iconic) member here... We have towed both a single axle and double axle Escape trailer with our 2010 V6 4X4 Frontier w/out tow pkg. since new. The truck now has 145,000 km's on the clock and still has the original trans fluid in it!!! I have it checked regularly by my mech.
Both of these trailers were designed to be pulled by this truck, as that's what Reace drove at the time, to pull ETI trailers. Alf
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This is true Alf, but Reace now tows with an F150, and his opinion is that it's a MUCH more capable and enjoyable towing experience than the Frontier. It's all about expectations.
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