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Old 12-19-2015, 01:23 PM   #21
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One thing that I don't think has been mentioned, is that I always think it is a good idea to check what the manufacturer recommends. For our 2008 Tacoma, Toyota recommended at WDH be used, so we went with one installed at ETI. I've tried it both with and without and very much prefer how the truck feels with the WDH installed. It seems to greatly reduce porpoising for our configuration.
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Old 12-19-2015, 01:40 PM   #22
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With the Trundra you not going to need anything heavy duty just something to smooth out the ride. Also for what it's worth the TRD is just different shocks, skid plates and tires and is just needed for off road or a different look. A non TRD will actually ride better on the highway. All 5.7 tundras come with the tow package standard and the 2016 has a 38 gal fuel tank and built in brake controller and the 2015 does not. The extra 12 gallons of fuel makes a big differance in tow range so you don't have to stress finding fuel or planning fuel stops.
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:16 PM   #24
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My suggestion is tow without anything special and then decide.
I agree. There is no system which is simpler, lighter, or easier to use than a simple ball on a plain mount.

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Towing with a Sequoia (identical chassis to the Tundra) I know you may never need a WDH.
The Tundra and Sequoia are the same until some point ahead of the rear suspension - from that point rearward they are quite different. The early Sequoia had a coil-and-link suspension (but still a beam axle), while the later Sequoia has an independent rear suspension. The Tundra has a conventional leaf springs and beam axle system.

Since a Tundra has longer wheelbase than a Sequoia, and the Tundra's more primitive suspension is still quite effective for the purpose, I agree that if a Sequoia doesn't need a WDH then a Tundra (carrying the same cargo and towing the same trailer) shouldn't need WDH either.

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You may recall the advice to include items in your build sheet that cannot be added later, choices like wiring, outlets, insulation etc. Apply that advice here.
I think this is a valid point and great suggestion.

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Does the WDH bring the hitch closer to the truck than if you didn't have one?
No, the other way around - the WDH forces the trailer further back, which is why the tailgate may clear the jack with WDH but not with a typical non-WDH ball mount.

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So, is the WDH part added to a regular hitch? Or is it a built-in component of the hitch? In other words, do I need to be looking for hitches that don't have a WDH already on it?
"Hitch" is a confusing term, because it used to describe varying portions the hitching system, which normally includes
  • receiver (frame on tow vehicle, with square socket in it)
  • either
    • without WDH: ball mount to go into receiver socket, with hole for ball, or
    • with WDH: head to go into receiver socket, with hole for ball and sockets for springs, plus springs, chains and brackets
  • ball
  • coupler (part on trailer which latches onto ball)
A WDH head is quite long, so it places the ball (and thus the trailer) further from the tow vehicle's bumper than a typical plain ball mount... but there are longer ball mounts available if you just want the length and not the weight-distribution (WD) feature.

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I tried replacing the standard ball/receiver bar with a longer one. That gave my tailgate more clearance but for some reason I did not like the towing "feel" of it. Went back to the shorter connection.
That makes sense. The longer ball mount gives the trailer more leverage to affect the tow vehicle, and is always worse in every way for vehicle dynamics.
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:30 PM   #25
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Yes, entertaining.

Wild speculation about upcoming models is often good for a laugh, either for the non-English or for the nonsense. I like this thoroughly tongue-in-cheek comment about the next 4Runner:
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Old 12-19-2015, 04:53 PM   #26
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[QUOTE=Brian B-P;121519]I agree. There is no system which is simpler, lighter, or easier to use than a simple ball on a plain mount.

While I agree with you Brian, the shank/ball MyronL is using looks like my standard U-haul model I bought years ago when renting one of their trailers. The thing is- how do you adjust the attitude of the trailer? Nose up not good, nose down bad too.

[QUOTE] A WDH head is quite long, so it places the ball (and thus the trailer) further from the tow vehicle's bumper than a typical plain ball mount... but there are longer ball mounts available if you just want the length and not the weight-distribution (WD) feature.

My previous Pro Series used on our 17B fits this description, however my Andersen is probably shorter than the U-haul ball mount.

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That makes sense. The longer ball mount gives the trailer more leverage to affect the tow vehicle, and is always worse in every way for vehicle dynamics.
That would probably be the case if no bars/chains are being used, however WDH are designed as a unit with all components working together- right?
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No info there that I could understand. Lots of bad grammar though.
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No info there that I could understand. Lots of bad grammar though.
That "Toyota references" site certainly is interesting. The reviews are no doubt written by someone whose first language is not English, I was curious to see 2017 Toyota Space Canada model so started reading. Here is a quote of part, hardly understandable!

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The entrance facet of 2017 Toyota Sienna is comprise of current day deliberate grille and the guard with sharp edges. The base of the guard is overhauled with the air utilization and mist lights on either side. Headlights are amazingly angled and somewhat full and forceful entrance seems vigorous.
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Old 12-19-2015, 05:23 PM   #29
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The thing is- how do you adjust the attitude of the trailer? Nose up not good, nose down bad too.
By selecting the right height of ball mount. If conditions change, I don't think most WDH owners adjust the system to compensate... and if they do they may be adjusting it to inappropriate settings.

The alternative is an adjustable-height ball mount, but they tend to be almost as long as WDH heads assemblies.

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My previous Pro Series used on our 17B fits this description, however my Andersen is probably shorter than the U-haul ball mount.
Then that particular U-Haul mount is unnecessarily long. I have a U-Haul ball mount (albeit in 1.25", not 2") and it is no longer than the other brands. I've looked at the Andersen No-Sway: it is a compact design and is not as long as many WDH systems, and is identical to Andersen's non-WD EZ Adjust Hitch HD, but longer than a common non-adjustable ball mount.

For a better selection of ball mounts, I would look to anyone other than U-Haul - they don't even make the products which they sell, and only carry a fraction of the available configurations.

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That would probably be the case if no bars/chains are being used, however WDH are designed as a unit with all components working together- right?
Sure, but the extra length to the ball makes the situation worse, and you are counting on the springs to compensate for that as well as to fix the inadequacy of the tow vehicle that caused you to choose a WDH in the first place. Sort of "one step backward, and two steps (hopefully) forward".

By the way, Andersen says it's fine to use the No-Sway without the chains and springs as a plain weight-carrying hitch - it is functionally the same as an EZ Hitch (although a bit longer due to the bulk of the cone housing).
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That "Toyota references" site certainly is interesting. The reviews are no doubt written by someone whose first language is not English, I was curious to see 2017 Toyota Space Canada model so started reading. Here is a quote of part, hardly understandable!

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The entrance facet of 2017 Toyota Sienna is comprise of current day deliberate grille and the guard with sharp edges. The base of the guard is overhauled with the air utilization and mist lights on either side. Headlights are amazingly angled and somewhat full and forceful entrance seems vigorous.
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Lol. In this case, English is the "second language." No doubt written by a Japanese and if you cannot understand it, try looking at the Japanese version!

Actually, Canadians and Americans cannot even understand each other sometimes!
But the above is amusing.
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