New 19 tongue weight

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[float5]

You are indeed extremely low and no one else should use your weights (unless a similar option situation, as well as loading) because they are even lower than most classic 19's that we have heard about. The new 19's weigh more than classics. Probably quite a few owners of newer 19's have more than you before they even load, simply because of their options.

Originally Posted by Micheal K

We just came back from a couple days of camping and decided stop at the commercial scale. I weighed the TV and trailer axles all connected first and then disconnected and weighed the TV again to get the tongue weight and trailer weight.

Trailer(total including tongue wt): 3344 lbs
Tongue: 330 lbs

This is probably nearly as light as possible for a 2017 19.

Trailer was dry (including the HW tank). Also only had 1 propane bottle on the front. It did however have a fair amount of food and beverages in it as well as our normal (fairly minimal) camping gear.

Our trailer is very lightly optioned, no AC, no factory solar, single battery and no storage box. It does however, have the extra insulation and thermal windows. Dry weight of trailer as per ETI was 3110 lbs but I didn't get a chance to confirm that before adding our gear.

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Micheal K

We just came back from a couple days of camping and decided stop at the commercial scale. I weighed the TV and trailer axles all connected first and then disconnected and weighed the TV again to get the tongue weight and trailer weight.

Trailer(total including tongue wt): 3344 lbs
Tongue: 330 lbs

This is probably nearly as light as possible for a 2017 19.

You're probably right. For comparison purposes, we have a 2015 19, storage box, dual propane tanks, AC, solar, inverter, insulation and thermal windows, U-shaped dinette. Our total weight with a typical load of camping gear and food onboard and an empty water tank is about 4050 lbs. Our tongue weight varies but the average is about 420 lbs.

[float5]

I believe that we were actually given 4000 as the limit for a 19'. I seem to recall Reace being over that once, maybe, way back.

[caddoster]

ours is listed 3470lb dry with AC, bigger fridge, bottom foam, extra insulation, storage box, dual 6V, on the way back from pickup trip, with black/grey tank empty and full water tank, some camping gear we get 3950-ish (3550+400-ish), since then we loaded the rear cargo and kitchen cabinet but didn't weight the trailer again, tongue weight stays relatively the same tho (400-ish)

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by float5

I believe that we were actually given 4000 as the limit for a 19'. I seem to recall Reace being over that once, maybe, way back.

The GWVR (max weight fully loaded going down the road) of a classic 19 is 4,000 lbs. The newer trailers have a GVWR of 5,000 lbs.

[float5]

Originally Posted by rubicon327

The GWVR (max weight fully loaded going down the road) of a classic 19 is 4,000 lbs. The newer trailers have a GVWR of 5,000 lbs.

Yes, our classic 19' was a 4000 lbs. GVWR. Don't know if Robert's was different.

The classic 19' dry weight was given at one time as 2510 and later as 2610.

Our classic 21' has the GVWR as 4600 lbs. (not 4500 as the website said for some time after we picked up ours.) So maybe his was not the same as ours. Can't necessarily go by the website.

[cpaharley2008]

It seems the 2nd G 19 models are close to the 1st G 21 weights, wet or dry.

[CarlNH]

Very useful info, thank you! It would be great if ETI would provide the weights of the various options so that final dry weight could at least be estimated prior to ordering. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Micheal K

We just came back from a couple days of camping and decided stop at the commercial scale. I weighed the TV and trailer axles all connected first and then disconnected and weighed the TV again to get the tongue weight and trailer weight.

Trailer(total including tongue wt): 3344 lbs
Tongue: 330 lbs

This is probably nearly as light as possible for a 2017 19.

Trailer was dry (including the HW tank). Also only had 1 propane bottle on the front. It did however have a fair amount of food and beverages in it as well as our normal (fairly minimal) camping gear.

Our trailer is very lightly optioned, no AC, no factory solar, single battery and no storage box. It does however, have the extra insulation and thermal windows. Dry weight of trailer as per ETI was 3110 lbs but I didn't get a chance to confirm that before adding our gear.

[CarlNH]

Thanks, everyone, for the informative comments. What I'm gathering from various anecdotal and measured data as well as numbers published by ETI is that the new 19 design is roughly 500 lb heavier than the classic. That is significant with a tow vehicle rated at 5000 lb max. if one wishes to leave some safety margin. I suspect the added weight may arise from the need for heavier fiberglass layup in some areas due to the slab-sided design being inherently less strong than the rounded classic.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

It seems the 2nd G 19 models are close to the 1st G 21 weights, wet or dry.

And according to ETI the dry weight of the 2nd G 19 is only about 300# less than the 2nd G 21, which makes sense with the frame changes to the new 19, and slightly less than 2' length difference and 4" width.

[Wunfiddy]

Things are getting pretty heavy. Sounds like easily 3500 lb trailer optioned up.
Not tons of cross overs or mid size SUVS have 5000 lb ratings anymore it seems, and even if it is an option, none around here ever have it.

Grand Cherokee, 4Runner, and Explorer come to mind. Although at the prices those three go for, you can buy a half ton truck for less money. At least here.

[Sowen23]

Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.

[rbryan4]

Originally Posted by Sowen23

Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.

It does lighten it slightly, but the tandem axles lessen the effect. I can tell you that towing is not affected when we tow with a full water tank - at least not to a level I notice.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Sowen23

Does anyone know what happens to the tongue weight on a second gen 19’ trailer with the fresh water tank full? It is near the back so I am thinking it will lighten.

The fresh water tank is behind the axle line in all Escape models. The distance from the tank to the axle centre and the distance from axles to coupler vary by model, so the effect varies a bit. The tandem axles don't change that, but they do mask the effect because tongue weight is strongly affected by being off-level with a tandem (pushing the back down tilts the nose up, which increases the tongue weight).

[cpaharley2008]

My tongue weight with the classic 21 unit was at 500# with a 50% full fresh tank in the rear. For the 2nd G 19 model, same 50% I'm at 475#. If you have too much squat on your tow you can add some water to level out your hook up.

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

The fresh water tank is behind the axle line in all Escape models. The distance from the tank to the axle centre and the distance from axles to coupler vary by model, so the effect varies a bit. The tandem axles don't change that, but they do mask the effect because tongue weight is strongly affected by being off-level with a tandem (pushing the back down tilts the nose up, which increases the tongue weight).

I did not check the tongue weight in our first generation 19 when we first got it. After we replaced the group 27 battery with dual sixes I could tell it had increased and when I checked it, ready to go camping, tongue weight was 425lbs. Batteries, and “heavy” contents in the front box of the 19 made more difference in tongue weight than the addition or subtraction of water in the fresh water tank or other tanks for that matter. One thing I still try to do is to “know” whether or not I should fill with water before leaving to camp. Or I only haul about 10 gallons instead of a full tank. But always a full hot water tank. If at all possible, dumping fresh and grey water before I start home in the morning. Judicious loading and acquisition of lightweight camping components helps if you’re concerned about weight on the tongue or otherwise.
Iowa Dave

[Sowen23]

I actually wanted to be sure the tongue weight would not be too light. Full fresh water, full hot water tank, and storage under the queen bed full. Don’t want to deal with an unstable trailer and sway.

[Iowa Dave]

If you can get or borrow a sherline scale or rig up the equivalent and get a reading for the tongue weight and then get an accurate trailer weight as you intend to camp and then modify so you’re at about 12 to 15 percent tongue weight to total weight I believe you’ll have a good tracking, good towing trailer. Tire pressures, side to side loading, towing attitude, weights, and speed for the road surface encountered all work together. Experience will teach. Easy does it.
Iowa Dave

[Defenestrator]

I haven't weighed it, but I can definitely feel a very slight difference in sway damping with the freshwater tank full and the other two empty at higher speeds.

It probably depends on your battery configuration as well. When I tested, I had my modified battery system setup but only 3 out of 5 installed, so tongue weight was probably a bit lower than with 2x6V batteries.