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Old 02-29-2016, 08:19 AM   #21
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The chains are only required if using the Andersen set up.
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:47 AM   #22
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How many use the regular 5th wheel set up ? or use that Anderson gooseneck or ball mount like Scamp ? It looks like that Anderson removable would be the ticket but how hard is it to hook up? or the ball that comes off the trailer and insert is in the bed of truck . It seems the 5th wheel could be tricky how high are the bed sides going over uneven terrain . So many questions
I like the idea of towing a smaller package 5.0ta vs. the 21 ft trailer even though both trailers are same size but having 4-5 ft over the bed of truck would be better and the maneuverability of the 5th wheel . If we buy a newer truck what size does it have to be Does Escape explain this to us ? Also the new
Escape with torsion axle does it matter ? So many questions to a new 5th wheel want to be . Jim
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Old 02-29-2016, 08:59 AM   #23
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Reese explained to me that the torsion and spring suspension are the same height and both adjustable with the torsion being somewhat smoother. The 5.0 TA is made for 1/2 ton trucks and he will adjust the trailer height according to the truck beds sides.
I like the Andersen as it saves about 100 lbs and easily removed, whereas the conventional is heavier and harder to handle, but the conventional is easier to hook up as the Andersen is like the ball on a receiver, you have to be close for it to connect.
I'd say you save about 3 feet overall.
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I don't have any safety chains for Ten Forward... are they missing? And yes, I need a step stool to hookup or unhook. The bed sides are right below my shoulders! Previously all the in-the-bed installations for the plug I've seen were quite low in the bed. If I end up doing this, I'll use the "Jim Method"!
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The chains are only required if using the Andersen set up.
Like Scuba55 alluded to, if using a gooseneck hitch with any type of 5th wheel adapter ,including the Anderson Ultimate and B&W Companion, in most jurisdictions you need to use chains. With any bolted in 5th wheel hitch you do not.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:53 PM   #25
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I don't have any safety chains for Ten Forward... are they missing?
No, because you don't have a ball hitch like Jim Bennett.

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Donna, you don't need safety chains unless you have a ball hitch. If you have the Reese 15K that ETI sells, chains are not required.
This is correct, because the Reese 15K - and every other hitch which works with the Escape 5.0/5.0TA as it comes from the factory - is a fifth-wheel or "pin and plate" hitch.

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The chains are only required if using the Andersen set up.
... or any other conversion to a ball hitch. The Andersen Ultimate 5th Wheel Connection is the only ball hitch that any Escape 5.0/5.0TA owner has tried in North America as far as I know, and probably the one which makes the most sense.

There has been some recent discussion of the Pullrite SuperLite, which is also a ball hitch and would need the chains. There are also many "gooseneck " converters which reach down to a common 2-5/16" ball at bed floor level - no one has done that on an Escape as far as I know, but if they did they would need chains. Seef has a ball hitch on his 5.0 in the Netherlands, but both the rules and the available equipment there are different, and his ball hitch is not like those sold here.
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Like Scuba55 alluded to, if using a gooseneck hitch with any type of 5th wheel adapter ,including the Anderson Ultimate and B&W Companion, in most jurisdictions you need to use chains. With any bolted in 5th wheel hitch you do not.
The reason for safety chains with an Andersen Ultimate is the ball coupling between the Andersen hardware in the truck and the coupler on the trailer- that applies whether the Andersen's frame is anchored to the truck by a ball in the truck bed floor (the "gooseneck" version) or by "industry standard" rails.

I doubt that anyone would use, or be required to use, safety chains with a 5th wheel hitch just because it is anchored to the truck by the ball in the bed. Yes, that anchor connection could come apart, but there are lots of bits which could come apart. The safety chains are mostly to address the risk that an operator will hitch up and tow away without latching the coupler at all; this is a real risk with normal ball hitch because the trailer will stay in place until a big bump bounces the coupler off of the ball, but not a serious risk with a conventional fifth-wheel because if the jaw is not engaged the trailer pulls out of the hitch as soon as you try to drive away, so it's not a safety hazard on the highway. Even if safety chains are required due to the ball anchoring, those chains would only need to run from chain loops on the truck to the hitch frame, and would not need to be touched each time the trailer is hitched or unhitched.

I just realized today that the B&W Companion (a conventional fifth-wheel hitch) doesn't anchor to a ball in the truck bed - it anchors specifically to the B&W Turnover Ball under-bed mounting system structure, so no ball is involved. There is no reason for this hitch to require safety chains.
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Old 03-01-2016, 07:39 AM   #27
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For those of you needing (and not wanting to use) a stool to get into the bed of the truck, here is an alternative. I have one - and love it. Bestop TrekStep Truck Bed Step - Free Shipping
No fussing with a stool: just use your foot to lower and raise the step.
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For those of you needing (and not wanting to use) a stool to get into the bed of the truck, here is an alternative. I have one - and love it. Bestop TrekStep Truck Bed Step - Free Shipping
No fussing with a stool: just use your foot to lower and raise the step.
Too bad they don't make one that will fit RAM duel exhaust. I believe most RAMs have duel exhaust...
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For those of you needing (and not wanting to use) a stool to get into the bed of the truck, here is an alternative. I have one - and love it. Bestop TrekStep Truck Bed Step - Free Shipping
No fussing with a stool: just use your foot to lower and raise the step.
That's neat! The problem is using it when hooked up to a 5er. Wonder if I could squeeze between the bed and loft? Hummmmm
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While I can easily reach over the bed sides, I also plug in my cable with the tailgate open. You need 2 hands, one just to hold up the receptacle cover. Could just be me though. Still, the bed mount is worth having.
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