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Old 06-22-2016, 07:35 PM   #31
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We also considered 4Runners, but felt that the Highlander had a more comfortable road suspension. I think I would want a 4Runner or Tacoma Off Road model if I planned to do a lot of back country towing.
Totally agree, the Highlander is a great riding vehicle - very comfortable. I believe that the 4Runner is still build on a standard frame and has the same towing capacity as the Highlander. The 4Runner is rear-wheel drive with 4WD as an option. I haven't looked at a 4Runner in many years, so the spec have probably changed.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:08 PM   #32
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When we needed a new tow vehicle, the 4Runner towing capacity was only 4700 lbs. Now it is 5000.

I believe that any 2014+ Highlander XLE or Limited has a 5000 lb towing capacity, even if only front wheel drive.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:29 PM   #33
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I can only speak for Mary and I, but we both find the Highlander very much more comfortable to travel in for long distances. Ours was the now replaced 2008 generation, but the suspension on rear of the Highlander seems much stronger than it did on that year Tacoma. When I was considering a new Tacoma or HIghlander, I was surprised in reading manuals that the Highlander has a bit more cargo weight capacity than the Tacoma. But the Tacoma has significantly more Gross Combined Vehicle Weight rating.

We also considered 4Runners, but felt that the Highlander had a more comfortable road suspension. I think I would want a 4Runner or Tacoma Off Road model if I planned to do a lot of back country towing.
Not to steal this post. But you seem to be a Toyota guy, what is your option of a 2016 Tundra with the 4.6 as a tow vehicle for the 21?
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:32 PM   #34
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I read an interesting article ( at least I found it interesting) from the RVIA concerning the new 2017 - 2025 US CAFE standards for cars and light duty trucks. The RVIA is greatly concerned that many cars and light trucks will have their towing capacity greatly reduced in order too comply with the fuel standards. They also pointed out that vehicles capable of towing may have their production levels lowered to maintain the fleet average. The RVIA is woried that their industry may suffer a decline in sales. Many other industries such as construction also are concerned . It was hinted that it may come to the point that if you wish to tow heavy loads ( heavy loads was not defined ) you will need to have a full size heavy duty truck.
This may be bad news for the large RV market but may be good news for the FG trailer manufacturers. Maybe we are ahead of the curve.
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:49 PM   #35
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Not to steal this post. But you seem to be a Toyota guy, what is your option of a 2016 Tundra with the 4.6 as a tow vehicle for the 21?
Jake, in my opinion a Tundra pickup for towing a 21 would be an excellent choice. You would have plenty of power and capacity.
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Old 06-22-2016, 10:28 PM   #36
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We're happy with our choice of the Jeep Grand Cherokee (JGC) Limited with 3 l Turbo Diesel. We agree with what Jim Bennett and Brian B-P have said: lack of a diesel engine was the main reason for rejecting the Durango, we occasionally would have liked having its third row seat.

We also got full off-road capability in the Jeep, but may never use it. I argued that cost of the armoring under the chassis was a lot cheaper than fixing the damage from road debris although we've never destroyed anything but one tire from road debris. The air suspension allows us to lower the JGC for more easy entry, if needed as we age.

The Limited was the lowest trim version that allowed us to get the electronic safety items, like blind-spot alarm and adaptive cruise control. The JGC handles well, and is comfortable on long road trips.

The diesel has plenty of torque and power for towing our 21'. It has given us good mileage while towing, we've averaged 17.4 mpg over 4700 miles, the average trip computer claim was 18.6 mpg over the same distance, so it appears to be 6-7% overly optimistic.

I have had a few nightmares about putting gasoline into the diesel , hopefully that is a senior moment I will be able to avoid.
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:22 PM   #37
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Not to steal this post. But you seem to be a Toyota guy, what is your option of a 2016 Tundra with the 4.6 as a tow vehicle for the 21?
If you are considering a Tundra I would read this discussion on the 4.6L vs 5.7L.

4.6L V8 or 5.7L...advice, please! - TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:31 PM   #38
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I believe that the 4Runner is still build on a standard frame and has the same towing capacity as the Highlander. The 4Runner is rear-wheel drive with 4WD as an option. I haven't looked at a 4Runner in many years, so the spec have probably changed.
Yes, the 4Runner has a separate body and frame. The frame and chassis (suspension, etc) are basically shared with the Land Cruiser Prado (J150) and the Lexus GX, but the Lexus (in North America) gets a 4.6 L V8 engine. Yes, the 4Runner is RWD in base form, and is optionally available with a couple of different 4WD systems. The 4Runner has evolved over the years, but has continued the same general format.

The Highlander has an independent rear suspension, while the 4Runner and related vehicles have a beam axle with coil springs and control arms in the rear. The Highlander and related vehicles (Camry, Venza, Sienna) have a strut-type front suspension (as is conventional for unibody vehicles) while the 4Runner et al have double A-arms in the front (as is conventional for body-on-frame vehicles). The Highlander's engine is mounted transversely while the 4Runner is longitudinal, which means they use different transmissions to fit the configuration; it also means that the 2WD Highlander drives the front wheels, while the 2WD 4Runner drives the rear wheels. The end result is that the two vehicles are very similar in size and overall configuration, but different in every detail of design. They could share the engine, and do have engines from the same family, but don't have the same variant of that family.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:48 AM   #39
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If you are considering a Tundra I would read this discussion on the 4.6L vs 5.7L.

4.6L V8 or 5.7L...advice, please! - TundraTalk.net - Toyota Tundra Discussion Forum
already have the Tundra with the 4.6. Was just asking for opinions.
You got to remember that most of the guys on the Tundra forum are young and B---s to the wall guys, power-speed good!. I'm old and riddled with arthritis. Slow is the way it goes.
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:34 AM   #40
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Buy a pick up and you're on call for every time a relative moves or a friend needs to haul to the dump.
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