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Old 01-26-2016, 01:54 AM   #11
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Try and find a 2 wheel drive truck in Northern Minnesota or Wisconsin. In most cases if you want a 2 wheel drive truck ,you need to order it or drive south. I seldom use the 4 wheel drive but it did come in handy when elk hunting in New Mexico. If I lived as far south as Iowa Dave , I might have considèred 2 wheel drive.
My dad had one in Brainerd, which he's long since sold. I remember him telling me it was hard to find one up there and everyone wanted to know why he had it. He felt he'd never need it. He's now driving an older Jag. Without 4 wheel, of course. I don't know where he got the truck from.
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Old 01-26-2016, 08:17 AM   #12
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Still thinking about one, but my Jeep GC may see quite high mileage before I'm done.
When we moved from SF area to N. Utah where we could afford to take up skiing again, it got too expensive in CA, I found a VW crew cab, added an RV furnace under the rear seat and put studded tires on every fall. Our son said that it would go where FWD would not. He didn't tell us that at the time. I see the Dodge Durango comes with the 5.7 and two wheel drive, if they build it for 2016. It is only a foot longer then the GC I believe and I don't know if it has the Mercedes designed chassis.
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Old 01-26-2016, 09:30 AM   #13
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My old 1961 Ford F250 2WD could get stuck on flat ground when there was any snow on the ground if I didn't have enough weight in the back. In my experiences, snow, icing, the hilly terrain where I live and 2WD trucks weren't a good combination. I think I spent half the winter taking chains on and off back then.
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Old 01-26-2016, 12:38 PM   #14
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I... "Four wheel drive gets you in more trouble than it will get you out of" was the sage advice from my Dad who just keeps getting smarter as I age. (Gracefully I might add)
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Dave that wisdom of your dad sure seems to be proven in my experiences for young men in 4WD trucks and some people in SUVs. In my 25 years commuting to a city school district that rarely canceled school for road conditions, the vast majority of vehicles I saw in the ditch were 4WD. Those folks seemed to have little understanding that no matter how many wheels are driven, there are still only 4 small patches of rubber on the road and 4WD can't defy physics.
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Old 01-26-2016, 01:46 PM   #15
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This June is my 50 th high school reunion. I had a lot of teachers over the years but none finer than my Physics instructor Mr. Joe Stolar. He was a former drivers ed instructor too.
He had a beautiful way of combining the principals of physics with everyday living and relating it all the testosterone charged boys who kept pictures of Pontiac GTO's Dodge Chargers, and big Ford V8 automobiles of the day pressed in their physics books as "bookmarks".
He liked me because of my practical nature, gas station grease under my finger nails and acceptance to attend Iowa State University, his alma mater.
He was the kind of teacher you could not let down. We need more Mr. Stolars today.
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Old 01-27-2016, 12:47 PM   #17
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I've had a four wheel drive of some kind since '78. I was the guy that always made it to work. It was a 30 mile trip to work.
I've never had four wheel drive, and I'm the guy that always made it to work. It has been a 35 kilometre drive each way for the last 23 years, and it's winter here for at least half the year. I've always had a front-wheel-drive small car, almost always with snow tires.

Local conditions matter, of course: we have few hills, and although ice is normal deep snow is rare. I should have gone with studded tires last time - maybe next time.

I'm in a rural area, and most (probably all) of my neighbors have 4WD trucks and SUVs... I assume to impress someone, since they don't need them to get around. Having said that, I would prefer 4WD in some cases.

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I think it's more folks that expect 4wd to do more then it does that have problems. Seems the median gets filled with those little 4wd SUV things first couple snowfalls.
Absolutely! And it's not just the small SUVs... here, I find that the majority of vehicles in the ditch after any storm are 4WD, and that includes large SUVs and trucks... with drivers of all ages and both genders hanging around them.

A funny one was the lady driving her 4Runner back and forth in the ditch, not stuck but apparently looking for somewhere that she could get back up the slope. I laughed and continued on my way in my 2WD car.
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I see the Dodge Durango comes with the 5.7 and two wheel drive, if they build it for 2016. It is only a foot longer then the GC I believe and I don't know if it has the Mercedes designed chassis.
Yes, the current Durango (entirely unrelated to previous vehicles by the same name) is the Dodge-branded and longer version of the Grand Cherokee, with the same Mercedes-derived chassis design and components.
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I've never had four wheel drive, and I'm the guy that always made it to work. It has been a 35 kilometre drive each way for the last 23 years, and it's winter here for at least half the year. I've always had a front-wheel-drive small car, almost always with snow tires.

Local conditions matter, of course: we have few hills, and although ice is normal deep snow is rare. I should have gone with studded tires last time - maybe next time.

I'm in a rural area, and most (probably all) of my neighbors have 4WD trucks and SUVs... I assume to impress someone, since they don't need them to get around. Having said that, I would prefer 4WD in some cases.


Absolutely! And it's not just the small SUVs... here, I find that the majority of vehicles in the ditch after any storm are 4WD, and that includes large SUVs and trucks... with drivers of all ages and both genders hanging around them.

A funny one was the lady driving her 4Runner back and forth in the ditch, not stuck but apparently looking for somewhere that she could get back up the slope. I laughed and continued on my way in my 2WD car.
Studded tires in our area are illegal due to the damage they cause to the road surface . I have a 4 wheel drive truck and seldom use the 4 wheel drive but on occasion it has made the difference between being stuck at home or going about my business.
At my age ,the urge to buy something to impress others is non existent. Two wheel drive trucks are notorious for having poor traction in the snow .In our area you see trucks with their box filled with sand or concrete blocks to add weight over the rear axle. When I lived on Minnesota's iron range ,the locals lined the truck box with plastic sheeting and foam (protect paint) and filled the box with water. The water froze and they used the ice as traction weight .Come spring the ice melted and they were ready for summer ."Finlander Ingenuity"
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Studded tires in our area are illegal due to the damage they cause to the road surface .
That's true in many areas, but they are allowed here... and reasonably common, especially for pickups, even though most pickups here are 4WD. Basic truck 4WD systems are only 2WD most of the time, and when you hit an icy patch it is too late to shift the transfer case, so it makes sense that rear tire traction is critical.

Modern studs are very short, and not nearly as damaging as some of the designs used in the past.

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Two wheel drive trucks are notorious for having poor traction in the snow .In our area you see trucks with their box filled with sand or concrete blocks to add weight over the rear axle
Yes, we had one (only got stuck once in the winter), and did something like that... it's pretty standard practice for those few people who have 2WD trucks here, and even some 4WDs. Front-wheel-drive vehicles - and even rear-wheel-drive cars or SUVs with more reasonable weight distribution than an empty pickup - don't have the same problem.

In a recent discussion of the Honda Ridgeline which wandered into somewhat related vehicles, I noted that the weight distribution of a VW Touareg is only barely front-heavy, even though the entire engine hangs out in front of the front axle; empty rear-drive pickups can be an extreme case of poor weight distribution, and 4WD is a way to address one resulting problem.
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