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Old 03-09-2015, 01:24 AM   #41
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I was taught 10 and 2 for the position on the steering wheel.
I think all of us "long experienced" drivers were taught that. Two things have changed in the last few decades:
  1. steering wheels now have airbags
  2. steering in a typical vehicle is much quicker than it was, so it is now practical to make most turns without driver's hands moving on the wheel... particularly if they're at 9 and 3.

But sure, 10 and 2 still works - a lot better than the very top or very bottom.

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And, now, right now, I'm watching "Fifth Gear" on Discovery Velocity channel ( all cars, all the time ) and I can't help but watch how they hold the steering wheel.
So far, all of them ( racing drivers, auto journalists, etc. ) are holding the wheel so that their thumbs wrap around the wheel, not on the spokes.
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(LATER ) different drivers hold the wheel differently. Some wrap thumb and some do not. Now, I can't watch TV without looking at thumbs and wondering if arthritis has an effect.
Top Gear is pure entertainment, and nothing seen on it should be taken as instructional.. and most of the wacky stuff is staged. For instance, most of the high-speed driving done by the hosts (some of which is actually done by the hosts) is done without a helmet. Good driving practices don't draw a few hundred million viewers each week

Anyway, wrap your thumbs around if you want - I was mostly just explaining that not everyone does, so their thumbs are not pointing forward.

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I think the fear of dislocating your thumb when hitting a bump or such comes from experience with John Deere tractors, not with power steering equipped vehicles of today.
Very true. That's why I said it was a concern off-road and racing, not on the street. We're at the point where in many vehicles it's hard to tell from steering feel if the front wheels are even on the ground, or connected to the steering wheel.
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Old 03-09-2015, 01:31 AM   #42
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The show I was watching is called Fifth Gear ( I guess a clone of Top Gear ). You can still see Top Gear on BBC Canada, but I'm not subscribed. One of the hosts, at least, is an ex-professional racing driver.
After watching and reading posts, I'm going to have to catch myself unaware and see where my thumbs are. It might depend on how bad my arthritis is on that day.
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The show I was watching is called Fifth Gear ( I guess a clone of Top Gear )...
Maybe I should drink less beer before reading!
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Old 03-09-2015, 11:01 AM   #44
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I was taught 10 and 2 for the position on the steering wheel.
This is quite true for the Model T's you drove when younger, but with the advent of the steering column mounted air bag, experts changed their tune.
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As this 'how to reverse with a trailer' thing has been discussed a few times before, many likely know my stance on these 'tricks' to use for doing it. I really don't like them, and would instead say just learn how to do it proper, so it just becomes a reactionary thing, not something over thought.

If you look at the trailer as though you are pushing it back, and which way you have to move the hitch to go the direction you like, you then just naturally move the back end of your tow vehicle to accommodate this action. I know I am a terrible teacher by explaining like this, but when I have showed this to a few people, in no time they were doing it well. Also, not sure this is how a 'profession' instructor would do it either, I imagine there are a few ways to learn.

I remember taking my son out when he got his license, and had him having to turn into narrow spots, and doing figure 8's in reverse with a trailer to practice. A couple outings, plus then some practice on his own, and in no time he was reversing on his own well. One of his first jobs as a young adult, they learned he had some towing experience, and were pleasantly surprised that he could tow, and reverse, so well. Made him proud to do so.

But, in saying this, as long as you get your trailer in a good spot, and enjoy your camping experience, it really does not matter that much how you got it there.

I have always thought a towing rodeo at a rally would be fun. Set up some kind of obstacle course with funky manoeuvres to do. It would be a great spectator sport too.
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Also, not sure this is how a 'profession' instructor would do it either, I imagine there are a few ways to learn.
On this note, I am curious as to how this school teaches reversing with a trailer.
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When the kids were about to drive I had them play with toy cars and trailers, did seem to help.
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I checked when my thumbs weren't looking and it appears that they rest lightly, on the rim, or around the rim at times. And, the wheel itself is sculpted to encourage holding at about 9 and 3.
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When backing the trailer up isn't it simpler to place one hand at the bottom of the steering wheel and move the wheel in the direction you want the back of the trailer to go. Once the back of the trailer is turning in the intended direction just slowly follow through.
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Yup.
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