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Old 03-25-2018, 07:14 PM   #1
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Payload, split from DISPLAY - 2017, Escape 5.0TA sale thread

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Is this unit still available. How much different is this model compared to what is being built in 2018? We are Alameda, Northern CA getting ready to buy a 2017 Ram V6 ecodiesel. I believe that shold be enough for the 5.0TA. Thanks
I believe that you should read and understand the payload sticker , which is on the drivers side pillar .
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Thank you for that I will.
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Old 03-26-2018, 04:38 AM   #3
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Yes, us Ram owners know that the payload restriction on the door jamb may limit your trailer choice as the pin weight of a 5th wheel is considerably higher than the tongue weight of a pull behind. Also check that spare, most Rams have a temporary spare.
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Here's a link to a towing capacity chart for the 2017 Ram. There's a wide range of payload ratings for the V6 EcoDiesel depending on the configuration. https://m.ramtrucks.com/assets/towin...ing_charts.pdf

I am also looking into a Ram for towing a 5.0TA - with some configurations it looks like I can get the payload up above 1,700 lbs and I am partial to Rams so exploring that possibility first before looking at other makes.
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Interesting, that chart does not show the diesel and notice the v-6 has the higher carrying but smaller towing capacity, opposite of the hemi set up....having owned a diesel in the past I can tell you there are plus and minus. The eco diesel takes 10 quarts, synthetic oil and used the DEF additive, both are very expensive. My oil changes were a couple of hundred dollars each.
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There are a number of configurations of the diesel further down the chart, second page and beyond, grouped by cab configuration. Across the board the EcoDiesel configurations seem to have a lower payload rating - plenty of towing capacity for a bumper pull, but not so much for a fifth wheel. I am looking at a V8, quad cab, with 3,92 diff. After years of towing across the mountains with a somewhat underpowered truck, I absolutely want plenty of towing strength to spare and that is a bigger consideration for me than gas mileage.
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A short while back, I was at my Ram dealer getting a recall done
They had about 12 new 2017 Ram 1500 Eco Diesels lined up in the parking lot . I looked at the door sticker on approx 8 trucks .
Not one was over 1200 lbs and the majority were around 1100 lbs.
My truck , a 2014 Ram 1500 V8 , shows a payload of 1600 lbs on the internet but my door sticker says 1300 lbs.
We were going to buy a new truck this year but we are now waiting on the 2019 because the payload is going up 300 to 400 lbs. The reason being that Ram trimmed a bunch of weight by going to aluminum.
This forum has had this same discussion several times and it boils down to, do you believe the factory numbers or discard them.
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There are a number of configurations of the diesel further down the chart, second page and beyond, grouped by cab configuration. Across the board the EcoDiesel configurations seem to have a lower payload rating - plenty of towing capacity for a bumper pull, but not so much for a fifth wheel. I am looking at a V8, quad cab, with 3,92 diff. After years of towing across the mountains with a somewhat underpowered truck, I absolutely want plenty of towing strength to spare and that is a bigger consideration for me than gas mileage.
I lucked out with a 3:21 rear end, better gas mileage and un needed towing capacity trade off. Love the 8 sp auto, made a world of difference over the 5 sp in 2009 Ram.
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That's good to know - I've been wondering whether it's really necessary to get the 3.92 differential. In my old Ram with a 5 speed it would have made a huge difference I'm sure, but I've heard that with the 8 speed it's not as big a deal. I may still go for the 3.92 if I can, but if I found a truck that had everything else I wanted and the 3.21 I guess that wouldn't be a disqualifier. I'm sure a new Ram with either will drive and haul like a dream compared to my old faithful 1998 Ram.
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My 2 trucks had the same motor and identical chassis, but the 2009 had the 3:55 rear and 5 speed auto. My mileage avg 12mpg towing or not. The 2014 with 3:21 and 8 speed auto avg closer to 14-15 mpg towing and 19 unhitched.
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I own a 2014 Ram 1500 ,V8 , 8 speed transmission and 3.92 rearend
If I was looking for a truck to tow an Escape 5.0 TA , I would be looking at a Ford F150 or a Ram 2500.
My truck is okay for towing my 17 ft Casita but it is certainly nothing great or outstanding
When towing I do know and can feel that my trailer is back there.
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After years of towing across the mountains with a somewhat underpowered truck, I absolutely want plenty of towing strength to spare and that is a bigger consideration for me than gas mileage.
Given that the cost of fuel is one of (if not the most) costly expenses when travelling with your trailer, I find fuel economy a very important factor. Adequate power is important, but most any 1/2 ton has the power. Payload towing the 5.0TA is an important factor, for sure.

My F-150 has fairly good fuel economy, and more than adequate payload (1646 lb). I do need to do a proper weighing of my setup to confirm this, I just know performance wise it is da bomb! When towing my temp fifth wheel in 2016, which had about 400 more pounds of hitch weight, it still towed great despite the fact I was right at, or even a wee bit over the rated payload rate.
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I lucked out with a 3:21 rear end, better gas mileage and un needed towing capacity trade off. Love the 8 sp auto, made a world of difference over the 5 sp in 2009 Ram.

Quoting Jim, but mostly directed at David, I had 3.21 gears in my 2014 but swapped for 3.92 or towing gears as I call them. Basically, I gained a gear of transmission by the difference which makes for comfortable towing in hill country or wind conditions. My dash read for this trip now is 12.5mpg, which is almost exactly what I would have seen with the 3.21. In fairness, I do like more get up and go power than some of the posters here.

Despite the fanboi brand bickering, any 1/2 ton with towing prep package and limited slip diff will be a great choice, within the limits of payload etc. and being a dedicated tow vehicle.







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Harley, the V6, V8 and diesel engine weights are what effect the numbers.
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Old 03-26-2018, 10:57 AM   #14
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In looking at buying a 5.0TA, my consideration has nothing to do with make, and everything to do with capacities. We'll be looking at a recent model year anyways, can't afford new for a truck. (Did that once, never again!) So for 2014 - 2015 pickups, looks like F150 and Silverados are about the only trucks that have sufficient capacity (~10,000#s) for me to pull a 5.0TA over the Rockies. Wife is not in favor of a 3/4 ton pickup and given where Ford and GM have gone with half tons, why bother with 3/4?

This is just me. YMMV...

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There are a number of configurations of the diesel further down the chart, second page and beyond, grouped by cab configuration. Across the board the EcoDiesel configurations seem to have a lower payload rating...
Yes, simply because the diesel engine is heavy, using up what would be payload with a lighter engine.
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...having owned a diesel in the past I can tell you there are plus and minus. The eco diesel takes 10 quarts, synthetic oil and used the DEF additive, both are very expensive. My oil changes were a couple of hundred dollars each.
Maintenance is certainly expensive for diesels, but DEF consumption should not be a significant cost factor for a Ram truck. DEF is typically consumed at about 2% of the rate of fuel consumption (that is, 1 litre or gallon of DEF for every 50 litres or gallons of diesel), and DEF is roughly the same price as diesel fuel, so adding DEF adds about 2% to the cost of fuel.

Of course, dealers probably sell DEF for a much higher price than reasonable suppliers. I wouldn't likely buy DEF from a Ram dealer's service department, just as I wouldn't likely buy fuel from them.
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