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Old 12-14-2015, 10:09 AM   #101
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My GMC with the NHT max tow package has the 3.42 gearing, this is what is paired up with the 6.2 motor. These trucks also have the transmission assist downhill braking which can easily be shut off by holding in the tow haul button for a few seconds.

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Old 12-14-2015, 11:15 AM   #102
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That higher # will improve you gas economy.
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Old 12-14-2015, 12:18 PM   #103
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One of the reasons the Duramax package is fairly expensive is the inclusion of bundled options which one might want anyway. The 'exhaust brake' uses variable vanes on the turbocharger to increase backpressure, increasing engine braking effect. Other bundled options include integrated trailer brake controller, hitch, G80 locking rear differential, block heater, AutoTrac (standard on Canyons, but the only way to get AutoTrac in a Colorado is to order the Duramax).

I have a Duramax truck on order. Availability is highly limited, especially here in Canada.

My local dealers sold their annual allotment of 2015 Canyon and Colorado _gas_ trucks months ago (in comparison, 2015 full size trucks are still plentiful on lots). I expect the diesels to be in even greater demand, at least for '16.
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Old 12-14-2015, 01:03 PM   #104
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When I bought my 2014 Ram 1500 ,the difference between a truck with the Hemi V8 gas engine and one with the 3.0 ltr diesel engine was $8K. Ram was heavily discounting trucks with the V8 engine but not so for the diesel . I bought the gas engine because I did not see that a diesel added $8K in value and the payback with fuel savings from a diesel could never be obtained.
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Old 12-14-2015, 01:29 PM   #105
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When I bought my 2014 Ram 1500 ,the difference between a truck with the Hemi V8 gas engine and one with the 3.0 ltr diesel engine was $8K. Ram was heavily discounting trucks with the V8 engine but not so for the diesel . I bought the gas engine because I did not see that a diesel added $8K in value and the payback with fuel savings from a diesel could never be obtained.
$8K US is a huge difference, and would stop me too. The Colorado/Canyon diesel upcharge is currently less than half that (for me), though it depends slightly on how one values the options bundled with the diesel.

Everyone needs to make his/her own decision on cost/benefit of the diesel upcharge, based on driving preferences, fuel and anticipated maintenance costs, and expected resale value. In my case, one factor is that diesel is comparable to gas prices where I live -- in fact, diesel is currently cheaper. I expect to own this truck for >10 years, and I expect petroleum prices will rise significantly faster than general inflation rates over that time, making fuel economy a bigger factor in operating costs. That is, of course, just an educated guess but it factors into my decision. Plus, regardless of actual fuel prices, I see value in burning less fuel if/when I can.
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Old 12-14-2015, 03:39 PM   #106
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The $8k difference in price was due partially to the fact that the diesel engine was a $3500 upgrade over the gas engine . The dealers in my area had few diesels in stock and lots of trucks with gas engines ,so they were willing to deal on the gas trucks. I would believe the same thing will occur with the GM diesel .The demand will be high and the dealers will see no reason to discount them. Diesel fuel in my area is $2.49/gal vs $1.89/gal for gas or a 32% premium for diesel.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:53 PM   #107
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Most of the Ram's with tow/haul mode have an engine brake in that once you tap your brake downhill it maintains that speed downhill using the transmission and engine drag.
That's becoming common - essentially letting cruise control use engine braking. My Sienna downshifts on the brake action but doesn't control to set speed, but my (Ford F53-based) motorhome does maintain the cruise control speed, as have a couple of rental cars I've driven. It's most effective, of course, if the engine has adequate braking, which may require an exhaust brake in the case of a diesel.

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As far as the rear end ratio, with the lower 3.73 which is good for towing, a higher ratio will increase economy. I'm surprised with those numbers based upon the spec's.
I'm not sure which part is the surprise. Although the ratio by itself doesn't mean much, the 3.42:1 in both the Colorado Duramax 2.8 and Doug's Sierra 6.2L is relatively tall and thus compatible with decent fuel economy in both the slow-turning Duramax 2.8 and big 6.2L. If that seems too tall for high towing capacity, I'll note that the Duramax just can't spin very fast, and that the 6.2L comes with an 8-speed transmission with a low first gear so it can hit the desired engine speed without needing an unusually short final drive ratio.
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Old 12-14-2015, 08:01 PM   #108
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Another factor in the diesel option price is that you can't get the diesel in a base Colorado, or base Ram 1500, or base Jeep Grand Cherokee... or the base trim level of most vehicles. If you need to buy $5K to $20K of fancy trim and toys to be allowed to spend another $3K to $8K for the engine, how much is that engine really costing you? Of course if you were going to buy the top trim level anyway, it's just the engine premium.

This - gas versus diesel - is really an individual decision, due both to these pricing issues and differences in the way the vehicle will be used. That 31 mpg number is unloaded and on the highway. If you do a lot of that, the number will matter, just as if you drive a lot, the fuel economy will be more important and there will be more opportunity to make back that price difference in fuel savings.
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Old 12-14-2015, 09:54 PM   #109
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Not only do you need to buy the Colorado with additional options, they are not discounting the diesels while the gas versions can be purchased with $2,000 - $5,000 discounts so the margin is not $3,500 but more like $5,000 - $8,000. Now this is ALOT of gas!
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Not only do you need to buy the Colorado with additional options, they are not discounting the diesels while the gas versions can be purchased with $2,000 - $5,000 discounts so the margin is not $3,500 but more like $5,000 - $8,000. Now this is ALOT of gas!
But as I mentioned before, you do have to remember other factors, in performance and cost. The diesels usually outperform gas engines with better towing capacity. Used diesel trucks sell for a heck of a lot more than their gas counterparts. Diesel engines usually last longer too. Lots of other considerations between diesel and gas, and these factors will differ for each individual manufacturer, as well as the end user.

Not saying at all that diesel is always the best option, but just that there are a lot more factors than just the original cost.
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