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Old 02-24-2019, 10:14 PM   #1
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Question about 5.0TA

My wife and I are just in the thinking process of moving from a Escape 21 to a 5.0 TA. Main reason for the change is that separate sleeping area. We have such different sleeping habits, me early to bed, she up all hours, me early riser, and she sleeps in late.
So I have never had a 5th wheel or driven a truck with a 5th wheel attached, Iíll say right now I donít know anything about them and maybe this is a dumb question or Iím over thinking the process. But here goes.
My Tundra has an 8 foot bed. So clearance between the cab and the trailer is not a problem, but with the 5.0 being so small (as fifth wheels go) is there enough room between the front of the trailer and the hitch to get the pin box centered over my axel. Is there a measurement say between the bumper and the rear axel to consider so that pin box will be centered over or just in front of it. I believe to have the pin box behind the axel is a no go, correct?
Please feel free to correct my terminology or thinking, because as I say I know nothing about setting up for a fifth wheel. Thank you.
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:35 AM   #2
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My Tundra has an 8 foot bed. So clearance between the cab and the trailer is not a problem, but with the 5.0 being so small (as fifth wheels go) is there enough room between the front of the trailer and the hitch to get the pin box centered over my axel.
Not a problem. The way almost all pickups are built now, all of the difference between box lengths is made up between the axle and the cab, so the distance from the axle to the rear bumper is the same, regardless of the length of the box (within the same model). Also, every brand of full-size truck is very similar in dimensions -it's a competitive market. That means that if a 5.0TA works for any full-size truck with the hitch over the axle, it will likely work the same way for every other full-size truck.

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I believe to have the pin box behind the axel is a no go, correct?
That's the general practice for fifth-wheels, but the Escape 5.0TA is very light compared to most fifth-wheels, and having the pin (hitch centre) moderately behind the axle line, if you needed to do that, would be fine. Think of it this way: the truck can handle 500 pounds of conventional trailer tongue weight on a ball four feet behind the axle, so it can handle 700 pounds of fifth-wheel pin weight a few inches behind the axle. It's not like an 8-ton trailer with a ton or two of pin (hitch) weight. Trucks with a box length under six feet are routinely set up to place the pin slightly behind the truck axle (with custom hitch mounting, or a hitch with a rearward offset) to tow the 5.0TA.

Also, I believe you have a double cab 8.1' box Tundra, and that has an enormous 164" wheelbase - all of the extra box length compared to the double cab with 6.5' box is added to the wheelbase. That means it has the stability to handle a load located further behind the axle.
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:37 AM   #3
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Same Brian says. I have an 8' bed on my F150, the instructions for installing the bed rails had the same measurement from the rear edge of the bed to where the bed rails are mounted for all 3 bed lengths. The only thing I run into is the open tailgate is pretty close to the trailer, need to pay attention if the truck is at any kind of angle to the trailer. On occasion my wife has to slowly close the tailgate as I back to the trailer.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:48 AM   #4
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You might want to send sandyb12 a PM. She went from a 5.0TA to a 21.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:09 AM   #5
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I would think a blackout curtain designed to separate the 21 bed area for privacy might be a better idea. You’d lose the bigger 21 bath and incur a lot of expense for not much if any gain.
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I would think a blackout curtain designed to separate the 21 bed area for privacy might be a better idea. You’d lose the bigger 21 bath and incur a lot of expense for not much if any gain.
I am going to agree with this I've often said I have zero regrets about buying Ten Forward... well, now there are two.

As I age, I would prefer to keep both feet on the ground when hooking/unhooking. Now, I either have to get out the step ladder or hike my body up so can make certain I have a positive latch on the king pin and to hookup the brake away cable.

The other is the shear roof height. I need a taller than 6' step ladder to wash and wax the dang roof! I can't even see the top of most of the roof. Now, I'm 5'7" tall and shrinking a bit more each day... so, YMMV.
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Old 02-25-2019, 11:52 AM   #7
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Donna you need a telescopic mirror like this to check you hitch.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B071J4N7CW/..._4OcDCb8042JF0

As for the ladder, looks like an 8 footer eh .
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Donna you need a telescopic mirror like this to check you hitch.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B071J4N7CW/..._4OcDCb8042JF0

As for the ladder, looks like an 8 footer eh .
A mirror would solve the positive latch condition, but I'd also need longer arms to hookup the brake away cable. Yeah, at least am 8' ladder. 10' would be better. I hate ladders though. I've fallen off a ladder twice washing Ten Forward. Not good. I'd actually prefer some rolling scaffolding.
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I would also like rolling scaffolding for washing. I've fallen off ladders several times and at 74 I don't look forward to the next one. I'm 5'10" and use a small folding stool from CW for hooking up the breakaway and backup camera cables.
If it matters, a 21 foot 5th wheel is 21 feet of trailer while a 21 foot bumper hitch is 18 feet of trailer and 3 feet of hardware. I do miss the bigger bath in the Casita.
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yes i use a step stool to hitch up but it does seem easier then my bumper pull.
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