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Old 09-16-2019, 03:49 PM   #1
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Ron in BC--New Stinger

So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

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Old 09-16-2019, 04:05 PM   #2
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So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

Ron
Take a stab at it . Bottom one because weight is at the end . Pat
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Old 09-16-2019, 04:10 PM   #3
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The "shorter" bottom one has a longer vertical section, so it's not obvious that either would be significantly heavier based on dimensions. They have similar gussets, although that's small change on the scale of these hunks of steel anyway.

The important difference is probably that while the bottom one appears to be made of solid 2"x2" bar, the top one appears to be made of 2"x2" tubing. Note what appears to be a weld line on the vertical part of the upper one, and the plate welded on the bottom end which would be superfluous with solid bar. That makes a huge difference to mass per unit length (if it has 1/4" walls, the tubing would be about half the mass per length of the solid bar), so my guess is that the top one is much lighter (by perhaps a few kilograms).

These shanks are usually solid - either welded from bar like the bottom one or cast (or perhaps forged if you're lucky) to shape - so a tubular shank seems unusual to me. Did you custom-build this, Ron? If you did... it's nicely done, which is no surprise.
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So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

Ron

The longer top one looks smaller overall so all things being equal probably weighs less than the shorter bottom one. However, given that this sounds like a trick question, I would guess that the wall thickness of the bottom one is less than that of the top, so the bottom one probably weighs less. Unless of course, one is aluminum and the other steel, which would make the .... heavier. I don't know?
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I can tell you this, the top one will not work for your Escape as it is too high, I have to drop my ball to where the top just about level with the drawbar height for my truck.
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Without dimensions and more views all answers are only guesses. Not enough information given.
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I think the bottom because it has more holes.
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The bottom one weighs more. If I (visually) cut off the vertical piece and lay it end on with the horizontal piece, the bottom one is a significantly longer piece of 2x2 metal.

The top one may be partly tubing, not solid based on the end cap on the bottom of the vertical section. If so this makes the top piece even lighter.

Whether or not it works with your trailer depends on the height of your receiver, the amount the truck squats, and whether or not your trailer is lifted. Stock newer trucks tend to be higher than older ones. (And knowing Ron I would bet money that since he posted it, it works.)
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Take a stab at it . Bottom one because weight is at the end . Pat
I hate to say it Pat, but weight is weight, no matter where it's located.

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The "shorter" bottom one has a longer vertical section, so it's not obvious that either would be significantly heavier based on dimensions. They have similar gussets, although that's small change on the scale of these hunks of steel anyway.

The important difference is probably that while the bottom one appears to be made of solid 2"x2" bar, the top one appears to be made of 2"x2" tubing. Note what appears to be a weld line on the vertical part of the upper one, and the plate welded on the bottom end which would be superfluous with solid bar. That makes a huge difference to mass per unit length (if it has 1/4" walls, the tubing would be about half the mass per length of the solid bar), so my guess is that the top one is much lighter (by perhaps a few kilograms).

These shanks are usually solid - either welded from bar like the bottom one or cast (or perhaps forged if you're lucky) to shape - so a tubular shank seems unusual to me. Did you custom-build this, Ron? If you did... it's nicely done, which is no surprise.
As usual, an accurate analysis of the situation, the gold star bonus for sure.

I got a great deal on the Eaz-Lift WDH. What I really liked is that the ends of the spring bars are in a tube with a grease fitting. Much better than the exposed and open ends of my previous WDH. Impossible to keep clean and messy.

So I was standing at the end of my driveway when the delivery guy showed up. The first inkling that maybe the new WDH was a little on the heavy side was when he reached in for it and grunted.

Bottom line, the stinger unit was solid 2" x 2" steel. and it weighed 21 lbs. With the ball platform it did make a pretty heavy lump to heft around.

So, yes, I did fabricate a new one out of 2" x 2" x 3/16" tube. I have a Reese one with 1/8" wall and a 5,000 lb. rating so no worries about strength. And before someone says "won't the tube collapse when you tighten up the cross bolts?" No, there are compression sleeves welded in place.

Maybe the photo distorts things a little, but no, it's not the wrong height. The top of the ball sits about 3/4" above the coupler.

So the answer; the factory one, 21 lbs., mine, 5 lbs. Together with the ball platform it's a lot easier to heft around.

Ah, my heart rate is settling down. Torquing the two large cross bolts that hold the correct inclination to 260 ft. lbs. is a killer.



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I hate to say it Pat, but weight is weight, no matter where it's located.



As usual, an accurate analysis of the situation, the gold star bonus for sure.

I got a great deal on the Eaz-Lift WDH. What I really liked is that the ends of the spring bars are in a tube with a grease fitting. Much better than the exposed and open ends of my previous WDH. Impossible to keep clean and messy.

So I was standing at the end of my driveway when the delivery guy showed up. The first inkling that maybe the new WDH was a little on the heavy side was when he reached in for it and grunted.

Bottom line, the stinger unit was solid 2" x 2" steel. and it weighed 21 lbs. With the ball platform it did make a pretty heavy lump to heft around.

So, yes, I did fabricate a new one out of 2" x 2" x 3/16" tube. I have a Reese one with 1/8" wall and a 5,000 lb. rating so no worries about strength. And before someone says "won't the tube collapse when you tighten up the cross bolts?" No, there are compression sleeves welded in place.

Maybe the photo distorts things a little, but no, it's not the wrong height. The top of the ball sits about 3/4" above the coupler.

So the answer; the factory one, 21 lbs., mine, 5 lbs. Together with the ball platform it's a lot easier to heft around.

Ah, my heart rate is settling down. Torquing the two large cross bolts that hold the correct inclination to 260 ft. lbs. is a killer.



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But the top one is lighter no ? If it is it just looked to me for whatever reason lighter . Pat
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There are fewer pixels used to depict the top one.
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There are fewer pixels used to depict the top one.
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Old 09-16-2019, 06:47 PM   #13
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Yes Pat, the top one is lighter despite it being a longer stinger it's hollow.

Normally I "add lightness" by drilling holes but in the case of the bottom one more than that would be required.

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