Ron in BC--New Stinger - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Towing and Hitching
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 09-16-2019, 03:49 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 4,805
Ron in BC--New Stinger

So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

Ron
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMGP0033_resize.jpg (236.3 KB, 28 views)
__________________

Ron in BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:05 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Patandlinda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 5,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC View Post
So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

Ron
Take a stab at it . Bottom one because weight is at the end . Pat
__________________

Patandlinda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:10 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 11,792
The "shorter" bottom one has a longer vertical section, so it's not obvious that either would be significantly heavier based on dimensions. They have similar gussets, although that's small change on the scale of these hunks of steel anyway.

The important difference is probably that while the bottom one appears to be made of solid 2"x2" bar, the top one appears to be made of 2"x2" tubing. Note what appears to be a weld line on the vertical part of the upper one, and the plate welded on the bottom end which would be superfluous with solid bar. That makes a huge difference to mass per unit length (if it has 1/4" walls, the tubing would be about half the mass per length of the solid bar), so my guess is that the top one is much lighter (by perhaps a few kilograms).

These shanks are usually solid - either welded from bar like the bottom one or cast (or perhaps forged if you're lucky) to shape - so a tubular shank seems unusual to me. Did you custom-build this, Ron? If you did... it's nicely done, which is no surprise.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:11 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Dave Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
Posts: 2,285
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC View Post
So, what weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?

Or, which stinger weighs more, the shorter bottom one or the longer top one?

For bonus marks, why?

Ron

The longer top one looks smaller overall so all things being equal probably weighs less than the shorter bottom one. However, given that this sounds like a trick question, I would guess that the wall thickness of the bottom one is less than that of the top, so the bottom one probably weighs less. Unless of course, one is aluminum and the other steel, which would make the .... heavier. I don't know?
__________________
2013 19' \ 2013 15B, 2011 Toyota FJ Cruiser

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." - 1907, Maurice Switzer
Dave Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:29 PM   #5
Site Team
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: Escape#4, 2019 Escape21 DejaView pulled by 2014 Ram Hemi/8sp
Posts: 19,377
I can tell you this, the top one will not work for your Escape as it is too high, I have to drop my ball to where the top just about level with the drawbar height for my truck.
__________________
Jim
It is not the years in your life but the life in your years Lincoln
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:30 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Iowa Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
Trailer: 2013 Escape 21 Classic Number 6, pulled by 2018 Toyota Highlander
Posts: 4,276
Without dimensions and more views all answers are only guesses. Not enough information given.
Iowa Dave
__________________
Strike while the iron is hot. Live every day as if it were your last and one day you will be right.
Dave
Iowa Dave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 04:44 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2013, 17B 'Mini Pearl' and a 2010 Highlander
Posts: 315
I think the bottom because it has more holes.
__________________
____
John
jxoco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 05:08 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Phoenix Area, Arizona
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19
Posts: 762
The bottom one weighs more. If I (visually) cut off the vertical piece and lay it end on with the horizontal piece, the bottom one is a significantly longer piece of 2x2 metal.

The top one may be partly tubing, not solid based on the end cap on the bottom of the vertical section. If so this makes the top piece even lighter.

Whether or not it works with your trailer depends on the height of your receiver, the amount the truck squats, and whether or not your trailer is lifted. Stock newer trucks tend to be higher than older ones. (And knowing Ron I would bet money that since he posted it, it works.)
jamman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 05:27 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 4,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda View Post
Take a stab at it . Bottom one because weight is at the end . Pat
I hate to say it Pat, but weight is weight, no matter where it's located.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P View Post
The "shorter" bottom one has a longer vertical section, so it's not obvious that either would be significantly heavier based on dimensions. They have similar gussets, although that's small change on the scale of these hunks of steel anyway.

The important difference is probably that while the bottom one appears to be made of solid 2"x2" bar, the top one appears to be made of 2"x2" tubing. Note what appears to be a weld line on the vertical part of the upper one, and the plate welded on the bottom end which would be superfluous with solid bar. That makes a huge difference to mass per unit length (if it has 1/4" walls, the tubing would be about half the mass per length of the solid bar), so my guess is that the top one is much lighter (by perhaps a few kilograms).

These shanks are usually solid - either welded from bar like the bottom one or cast (or perhaps forged if you're lucky) to shape - so a tubular shank seems unusual to me. Did you custom-build this, Ron? If you did... it's nicely done, which is no surprise.
As usual, an accurate analysis of the situation, the gold star bonus for sure.

I got a great deal on the Eaz-Lift WDH. What I really liked is that the ends of the spring bars are in a tube with a grease fitting. Much better than the exposed and open ends of my previous WDH. Impossible to keep clean and messy.

So I was standing at the end of my driveway when the delivery guy showed up. The first inkling that maybe the new WDH was a little on the heavy side was when he reached in for it and grunted.

Bottom line, the stinger unit was solid 2" x 2" steel. and it weighed 21 lbs. With the ball platform it did make a pretty heavy lump to heft around.

So, yes, I did fabricate a new one out of 2" x 2" x 3/16" tube. I have a Reese one with 1/8" wall and a 5,000 lb. rating so no worries about strength. And before someone says "won't the tube collapse when you tighten up the cross bolts?" No, there are compression sleeves welded in place.

Maybe the photo distorts things a little, but no, it's not the wrong height. The top of the ball sits about 3/4" above the coupler.

So the answer; the factory one, 21 lbs., mine, 5 lbs. Together with the ball platform it's a lot easier to heft around.

Ah, my heart rate is settling down. Torquing the two large cross bolts that hold the correct inclination to 260 ft. lbs. is a killer.



Ron
Ron in BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 05:53 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Patandlinda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 5,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC View Post
I hate to say it Pat, but weight is weight, no matter where it's located.



As usual, an accurate analysis of the situation, the gold star bonus for sure.

I got a great deal on the Eaz-Lift WDH. What I really liked is that the ends of the spring bars are in a tube with a grease fitting. Much better than the exposed and open ends of my previous WDH. Impossible to keep clean and messy.

So I was standing at the end of my driveway when the delivery guy showed up. The first inkling that maybe the new WDH was a little on the heavy side was when he reached in for it and grunted.

Bottom line, the stinger unit was solid 2" x 2" steel. and it weighed 21 lbs. With the ball platform it did make a pretty heavy lump to heft around.

So, yes, I did fabricate a new one out of 2" x 2" x 3/16" tube. I have a Reese one with 1/8" wall and a 5,000 lb. rating so no worries about strength. And before someone says "won't the tube collapse when you tighten up the cross bolts?" No, there are compression sleeves welded in place.

Maybe the photo distorts things a little, but no, it's not the wrong height. The top of the ball sits about 3/4" above the coupler.

So the answer; the factory one, 21 lbs., mine, 5 lbs. Together with the ball platform it's a lot easier to heft around.

Ah, my heart rate is settling down. Torquing the two large cross bolts that hold the correct inclination to 260 ft. lbs. is a killer.



Ron
But the top one is lighter no ? If it is it just looked to me for whatever reason lighter . Pat
Patandlinda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 06:01 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B - "Toad". '08 Toyota RAV4 V6
Posts: 13,664
There are fewer pixels used to depict the top one.
__________________
2009 Escape 17B "Toad"
2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 Sport
North Vancouver, British Columbia

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 06:28 PM   #12
Site Team
 
Donna D.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 8,488
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
There are fewer pixels used to depict the top one.
Good one!
__________________
Donna D.
Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
Donna D. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2019, 06:47 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 4,805
Yes Pat, the top one is lighter despite it being a longer stinger it's hollow.

Normally I "add lightness" by drilling holes but in the case of the bottom one more than that would be required.

Ron
__________________

Ron in BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off






» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×