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Old 08-09-2015, 03:30 PM   #11
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I've been anxiously awaiting the redesigned Tacoma that supposed to hit the dealer lots soon and heard rumblings at the Osoyoos rally about a diesel and small block v-8 to follow.
The Toyota diesel rumours are about the Tundra, not the Tacoma.

There have been a few magazine articles about the 2016 Tacoma. Although billed as "all-new", I haven't seen anything particularly new about in the press. The "all new" engine appears to be a 2GR-FSE or 2GR-FSE with valve timing for the "Atkinson" effect, like the variations of other Toyota engines used in hybrid models. There is no V8 available for the Tacoma even for 2016, or for similar Toyota trucks elsewhere in the world.

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I believe the Nissan Titan is coming out this fall with a [redesign] and a diesel available in the HD version...
I haven't heard of any diesel for Toyota?
Right - the Titan XD is announced and well-reported in detail; the Tundra diesel is only a common rumour, never supported by Toyota that I have seen.

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wonder how Nissan can go for it but not Toyota?
The Titan is - and always has been - a sales failure that needs something to attract buyers; this is not in any way a criticism of the vehicle. The Tundra and Tacoma are successful without a diesel.

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If a diesel Tacoma were coming this year, it would be widely reported and "spy" photos would be all over the place. It's not - the article is perfectly credible.

I note that trucks of all sizes - including what we would call "compact" and "mid-sized" pickups - are available with diesel engines (and in many cases only with diesel engines) almost everywhere else in the world. That means nothing to the North American market.
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Old 08-09-2015, 03:34 PM   #12
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I travel quite a bit in my work, and I'm always amazed at the vehicle choices people have in other countries compared to North America. The one most glaring omission to the North American lineup continues to be mid sized and smaller vehicles with diesel engines. On a recent trip to Colombia, midsize and compact diesel trucks were everywhere. Highly capable, rugged, cheap to operate. I've seen the same limitations in the cell phone market, but that's another story.
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Old 08-09-2015, 03:56 PM   #13
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On a recent trip to Colombia, midsize and compact diesel trucks were everywhere. Highly capable, rugged, cheap to operate.
If diesels were once cheap to operate, that is no longer true in Europe or North America except on a fuel basis (but fuel cost is important if you drive enough). With current emission regulations, diesel emission controls are more complex and expensive to both build and maintain than gasoline engines. The base fuel system of a diesel has always been more expensive than a gasoline fuel system (carburetor or indirect fuel injection).

The rest of the engine is the same regardless of fuel/ignition type (diesel/compression versus gasoline/spark); diesel is no more rugged or cheap to operate (other than fuel consumption). The reputation of diesels for reliability is simply the result of most diesel engines being built for heavy-duty and commercial use, while most gasoline engines are built for passenger cars. Even in passenger cars, diesels usually have low power output compared to similarly-sized gasoline engines - they don't have enough power to hurt themselves very much.
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Old 08-09-2015, 03:58 PM   #14
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Yep. Being a long time Ranger fan, I couldn't help being a little PO'd when I saw that Central America of all places had a crew cab diesel Ranger. Even the Aussie had a great truck made by Holden (aka Ford!). Between the EPA and big truck profit protection, we're SOL here.
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Cheap to operate in that setting Brian. Diesel was much less expensive than gasoline. Not in my neck of the woods. Emissions are a big part of it, you're right. I don't think some folks in South America have ever even heard of emissions standards.
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Old 08-09-2015, 05:02 PM   #16
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Yes I was surprised by how cheap diesel was in Guatemala. My friend has a Toyota pick up its the bigger one but the shocks are kind of mushy for hauling very comfortable for driving around town but not so good for hauling heavy loads I heard the new truck was built with stronger shocks do you all know if that is true?
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I have been following this closely, the 2016 (2017 model year 4Runner) is speced at a complete redesign with both a 3.5 V6 and a 4.0L V8. There was also confirmation that a diesel would NOT be available because of the cost to meet NA emission standards. Seeing as the Tacoma and 4Runner are built on the same platform and often the updated Tacom is launched a year prior to the 4Runner.
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I have been following this closely, the 2016 (2017 model year 4Runner) is speced at a complete redesign with both a 3.5 V6 and a 4.0L V8. There was also confirmation that a diesel would NOT be available because of the cost to meet NA emission standards. Seeing as the Tacoma and 4Runner are built on the same platform and often the updated Tacom is launched a year prior to the 4Runner.
Hi Ian. Our conversation at the rally is what started this thread. I've been pondering and researching ever since. I've seen some Web chatter about a v-8 in 2017, just hope if/when it happens, it's offered in the US. If not, anticipate a new discussion on how to import a truck down here from Canada!
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I have been following this closely, the 2016 (2017 model year 4Runner) is speced at a complete redesign with both a 3.5 V6 and a 4.0L V8.
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Seeing as the Tacoma and 4Runner are built on the same platform and often the updated Tacom is launched a year prior to the 4Runner.
Hmmm... maybe. The 4Runner is generally acknowledged to be based on the Landcruiser Prado platform, not the Tacoma... although who knows what platform the Tacoma really uses. In any case, the rear frame section and suspension are completely different between the pickup trucks (leaf springs) and SUVs (coil springs and control arms). Of course there are lots of design features and parts shared between models, even ones not considered part of the same platform family.

Engines can be changed with little change in the rest of the vehicle, so there is no need to wait for a new generation to get a new engine, and conversely a new generation will not generally bring any new engines.

I have no special knowledge of Toyota's plans, but I would find a 4-litre V8 very surprising in anything but a exotic performance car or luxury/performance sedan or SUV. That would be a Lexus RX perhaps, but not a 4Runner or Tacoma.
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