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Old 01-29-2017, 04:23 PM   #41
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How could we survive in So Cal without AC?



yes, got ac.

No u dinette.

the 2017 21' is somewhat heavier - about 400 lbs i seem to recall.
In a phone conversation with Tammy early in the new 21 production, she said the new 21's were expected to be less than 200# heavier than the "classics" - they have the least change of any of the models. Most of the added weight is from more reinforcement in the straighter walls and the new awning.
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Old 01-29-2017, 05:00 PM   #42
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How could we survive in So Cal without AC?.
Thought you had, just did t see it listed at top of the thread. We also got a tongue jack; a little here- a little there and it does add up. Even the thermal windows are 100 lbs. heavier from what I remember.
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Old 02-06-2017, 01:57 PM   #43
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I just got an email reply from ETI to my question about the new base dry weight of the 21' (before any options) - it is 3210# a change of only 70# from the "classic".

That correlates with what Tammy had told me before when they only had estimates during the preliminary build. As she told me, the 21' was changing very little as the only weight increases were from the new awning and some more reinforcement of the straighter walls.
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Old 02-06-2017, 03:43 PM   #44
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By reviewing Jon Vermilye's spread sheet of actual weights, I have now calculated the following average weights of the 20 or so "classic" 21's and 19's that he has recorded:

21' total weight avg. 4024, tongue avg. 453

19' total weight avg. 3694, tongue avg. 375

So there you have it: a 330 lb difference.

Even with weights up slightly for the new ones (70+-) the differences between the sizes would presumably stay about the same.

Our trailer's actual weight, while traveling, nearly matches CPAHarley's prior 21, with ours weighing in at 3780 at the axles, 470 on the tongue, for a total weight of 4250 with about half a tank of fresh water and both other tanks empty.

Jon, if you read this, you could add us to the spread sheet if we're not already in there.

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Old 02-06-2017, 03:53 PM   #45
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Even with weights up slightly for the new ones (70+-) the differences between the sizes would presumably stay about the same.
Bill I think the 19 went up quite a bit more in weight than that 70# the 21 did.

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When I spoke to Tammy about a month ago I was told these numbers for the 2017 19'.

New 19 height with air=9'-0", w/o=8'-6"
Dry weight 2950lbs.
GVWR=5000
So that means a 340# increase in the 19 - at least according to what the website still show as 2610# - apparently the old numbers? If this is all correct new 21 base weight is 260# more than the base 19. Not a lot different that what you calculated in the avearages of the old models.
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Old 02-06-2017, 04:01 PM   #46
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Be about like bettin on Atlanta. Glad I did not have any of that action.
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Old 02-06-2017, 04:08 PM   #47
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Old 02-06-2017, 05:32 PM   #48
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I think the dry numbers on the 19' and 21' changed more than once. That cannot be known anymore as far as what has been on the website unless someone happened to note a number way back. Believe we only have the weight with our options on the paperwork, and GVWR which has also changed.
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According to my old registration on my 21- unladen weight- 3046/gross wt -4510
and on my new 19 registration- unladen weight -3450/ gross wt-5000
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Old 02-06-2017, 06:00 PM   #50
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Jim- the dry weight on ETI's website was 3050 with zero options when both you & I ordered our trailers. My import document states 3560 lbs. and I didn't have AC or even any reinforced walls & no dual 6V. Hard to believe your 21 was 3046 lbs. dry.
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I went and found my Certificate of Origin for my 21-GVWR 2046 kg shipping weight 1382 kg- I had the trailer delivered.
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I loaded up my 2014 Escape 21 for an upcoming trip; it has a full fresh water tank and the other tanks are nearly, but not quite, empty. Then I weighed the tongue with the Sherline scale I just bought. It weighed 400 pounds. I don't know the total trailer weight; I may try to have it weighed at a CAT scale while on my trip.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:44 PM   #53
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I loaded up my 2014 Escape 21 for an upcoming trip; it has a full fresh water tank and the other tanks are nearly, but not quite, empty. Then I weighed the tongue with the Sherline scale I just bought. It weighed 400 pounds. I don't know the total trailer weight; I may try to have it weighed at a CAT scale while on my trip.
Our 2017 21' has a 400 lb tongue weight, when loaded with the usual kitchen stuff, bedding, some food, usual camping stuff, with a full fresh water tank and empty black and grey tanks.

I also dont know our total trailer weight, especially when loaded as it is now.

It is my understanding that tongue weight should be between 10% and 12%.... i'm hoping / guessing that our Escape is about 4,200 lbs as it is now... but then 400 lbs tongue would be a little light....

any thoughts, anyone?

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Jim- the dry weight on ETI's website was 3050 with zero options when both you & I ordered our trailers. My import document states 3560 lbs. and I didn't have AC or even any reinforced walls & no dual 6V. Hard to believe your 21 was 3046 lbs. dry.
3050 was given for some time for dry weight of a 21'. That (3046) would have no doubt been before his options.

Ours with options is 3600-3700. We have A/C, two 6vs, one reinforced wall, solar, insulation/thermal windows.
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I loaded up my 2014 Escape 21 for an upcoming trip; it has a full fresh water tank and the other tanks are nearly, but not quite, empty. Then I weighed the tongue with the Sherline scale I just bought. It weighed 400 pounds. I don't know the total trailer weight; I may try to have it weighed at a CAT scale while on my trip.
If I recall you do not have the front tongue tool box, correct? That plus the stuff inside should put you close to 500#, would it not?
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3050 was given for some time for dry weight of a 21'. That (3046) would have no doubt been before his options.

Ours with options is 3600-3700. We have A/C, two 6vs, one reinforced wall, solar, insulation/thermal windows.
Perhaps when shipping the trailer they go by dry weight? I have a feeling with all these different numbers being created that Escape does not weigh each trailer individually upon completion, they may know what the base# is and that is what is used. Unless you get your unit weighed afterwards, finished weight or weight while "wet" and loaded is unknown.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:53 AM   #57
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According to Tammy when I asked her, the labels I posted on this thread in Post #6 are the most accurate weights to use for calculating the actual dry weight of each individual trailer. They are based on the known base dry weight - unoptioned - with each options weight then added on.

They are probably not absolutely precise, but should be correct to within a few pounds. To be precise each individual completely empty finished trailer (with its options installed) needs to be weighed

Shipping weights may be calculated by some alternate method.
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Not sure but the weights on websites have been updated for the 21' model, now showing 5000 gvwr and 3140 axle weight which is 530# more than the 19 axle weight of 2610 with same gvwr of 5000#
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:37 AM   #59
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I would not recommend relying on the website numbers. The number shown on the website for the 21 is different than the one I was given directly from ETI 2 days ago. And as reported above, Jimrules was told by Tammy that the new 19 is 2950
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You have a firm understanding of trailer balance and tongue weight.
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