Tongue Weight

[chinaski]

Can anyone tell me what the approximate tongue weight will be for the 19 including propane and two 6v batteries?

[gbaglo]

If you go here: http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls
you will find trailer and tongue weights.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

If you go here: http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls
you will find trailer and tongue weights.

Thanks, that is excellent info. Gives me a good idea of what to expect. Range for the 19 is from 220 to 480 pounds. I'm guessing that with full propane and two batteries it will be closer to the 480 number.

[cpaharley2008]

My 19' tongue weight was around 425# and my 21' weight was 500#.....

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

My 19' tongue weight was around 425# and my 21' weight was 500#.....

Did you have a two-battery setup?

[cpaharley2008]

Yes in the 21 but not in the 19

[rbryan4]

Ours comes in at 400 lbs with the storage box, Dual 6v batteries and dual tanks.

But of course, any cargo under the dinette benches will affect that, as well as how much gear in the box.


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[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by gbaglo

If you go here: http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls
you will find trailer and tongue weights.

These are measured in loaded condition: with everything the owners were carrying in the trailer, varying amounts of fresh water, varying amounts of waste water, varying amounts of propane and lots of variation in equipment.

It looks like chinaski has already figured out that in this list a 19' is shown as "dual axle".

Originally Posted by chinaski

Gives me a good idea of what to expect. Range for the 19 is from 220 to 480 pounds. I'm guessing that with full propane and two batteries it will be closer to the 480 number.

It could be in the upper part of that range... but unless you are comparing everything in all of these trailers to your planned configuration, you don't really know.

480 pounds is not some sort of limit - it's just the highest value that was observed in this small sample of Escape 19' owners. If someone had not shared their 480 pound tongue weight in 2014, it would look like 460 pounds is the top of the range; for all we know one of the vast majority of owners who has never submitted their tongue weight is running over 500 pounds. If you choose the options that lead to the highest tongue weight (dual batteries is the biggest factor in that), don't have any fresh water in tank, have full waste tanks, and carry a bunch of heavy stuff in front of the trailer, you could certainly go higher.

220 pounds is not a limit either (although it is extraordinarily low for a 19'). If someone had not shown up in Oregon with their 220 pound tongue weight, it would look like 240 pounds is the bottom of the range. These values are already less than the trailer's tongue weight empty and with no options; someone out there may be teetering around the roads with even less on the tongue, probably due to a big box or cargo or stack of bikes on the back. If that 220 lb trailer had a single battery and empty propane tanks, and you did exactly what they did but added dual batteries and full propane tanks, you would be still be at about 310 pounds of tongue weight... and you could go even lower.

I think those actual loaded weights provide a good reality check for people who have unrealistic expectations (such as being barely over the dry and empty weight), but they don't tell you what your trailer will weigh.

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Can anyone tell me what the approximate tongue weight will be for the 19 including propane and two 6v batteries?

I wrote up the particulars on our 19 about a week ago. 450 on the tongue, 3680 on the trailer weight ready for a three week outing. This is as you describe with propane, dual 6's leveling and stabilization stuff in the box. I could lighten the front end some by moving some stuff to the right rear hatch but this load works good for us with the Highlander. We use a WDH and like the way the 19 tows with it. It's the standard WDH from Escape.
Iowa Dave

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Iowa Dave

I wrote up the particulars on our 19 about a week ago. 450 on the tongue, 3680 on the trailer weight ready for a three week outing. This is as you describe with propane, dual 6's leveling and stabilization stuff in the box. I could lighten the front end some by moving some stuff to the right rear hatch but this load works good for us with the Highlander. We use a WDH and like the way the 19 tows with it. It's the standard WDH from Escape.
Iowa Dave

More great info - thanks! I can see that the WDH is going to be a must for our tow vehicle - a Nissan Xterra.

[Fox hunt]

I'm a little confused on weights. I'm thinking about getting a 19 and would like to keep my highlander but the new 19 seems heavier then the old one. The highlander tows 5000 and does well with my 17b. Currently many people use the highlander to tow 19s and 21s . Can the Highlander tow a new 19?

[thoer]

Fox Hunt - we plan to tow a new 21 with our Highlander.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Fox hunt

I'm thinking about getting a 19 and would like to keep my highlander but the new 19 seems heavier then the old one.
...
Currently many people use the highlander to tow 19s and 21s . Can the Highlander tow a new 19?

Apparently the 2017-style 19' is heavier and has a higher GVWR (which are not at all the same thing) compared to the outgoing style. How much? We don't know because Escape has not published that.

Originally Posted by thoer

Fox Hunt - we plan to tow a new 21 with our Highlander.

It's hard to believe that a 2017-style 19' will be heavier than a pre-2017-style 21', so this is a pretty good indication that a Highlander will handle a new 19'... assuming that

1. Eric's trailer and tug combination works as expected
2. we're talking about the same Highlander (generation, engine, etc)
3. the 19' trailer is not equipped with a lot more options than that 21'
4. similar amounts of cargo are carried

[float5]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Can anyone tell me what the approximate tongue weight will be for the 19 including propane and two 6v batteries?

It will likely be in the 450 range but you can try to make it what you want by how you load. If it is higher than what you want, put something toward the back. You move what you need to get the weight you prefer. 11-12% for tongue weight is good. Some like more, some like less.

[cpaharley2008]

The fresh water tank in both the 19 and 21 Escapes is located in the rear behind the axles and filling it with a certain amount of water can impact your tongue weight and towing experience. I always kept mine at least 1/2 full while towing.

[nrthwds]

I'm getting the new 2017, 17B and had the same concerns about the weight. Talking to Escape about it they said my trailer would weight about 3035 with full fresh water and foam insulation. I don't know if that takes into account all my options which are solar, dual batteries, surge protector, inverter, front storage box, WDH, ac,4.0 frig, thermal windows and insulation, foam under, removable power cord.
I have a 2010 Rav4 6 cyl with 3500/350, With WDH my hitch says 400/4000. I'm also a little concerned but they seem to think I will be okay but have to pack light. Things in the front would be more weight on the hitch. The classic 17B has many Rav4 users on the forum that have no problem with weight. We will see how it goes when I pick up in Sept.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by thoer

Fox Hunt - we plan to tow a new 21 with our Highlander.

I need to mention that that is our plan and that that could change to a 19 if the weight of the 2017 21' goes up significantly. Before we bought the Highlander I make a lot of calculations as follows:

Our model 2016 Highlander (GSU55L-ARTMKA) has a GCWR of 9900 lbs. (max trailer weight 5000 lbs) Curb Weight is 4464 lbs. (GVWR is 6000 lbs).

So GCWR minus CW leaves us 5436 lbs for trailer, all our gear and us! According to the samples on the real world weighs table (thanks Jon) the average loaded classic 21 weighs 4012 lbs (lightest was 3600) So that average left us with 1424 lbs of us and gear stored in the Highlander which would be far more than what we would actually have. (We generally travel lighter than the average folks we have met, so I figured we would also be under that 4012# average 21 weight and have even a bit more than 1424#.)

But all those calculations are based on the classic 21 and we will have to wait until the new 21 is finished and weighed. I am hoping that the weight change will be minimal, but if it turns out to be fairly large then we could well be 19 owners rather than 21's.

By the way, I am greatly impressed with the rear suspension on the Highlander XLE. I was making some adjustments to our WDH and made some extra measurements in the process. The tongue weight of the 17 as I was working was about 340 lbs. When that was hooked up to the Highlander it was only dropping the rear by a little over an inch. I never actually measured the rear drop under tongue load of the 2008 Tacoma we replaced but it was significantly more that than. I know part of that is due to the hitch ball being much closer to the rear axle on the Highlander, but Toyota seems to have done a very good job on the rear suspension of the Highlander in my opinion.

[nrthwds]

I did drive the Highlander limited a week ago and if I had the money now I would get the Highlander XLE or the 4Runner. But as I will be paying for the Escape I will go with the Rav4 for now knowing that I may need to get a new Tow soon! Good to know you are happy with the Highlander XLE!!! I now the 4runner has a soft rear end probably like the Tacoma you had. I have had 3 4runners in the past. I am a little concerned on the 2017 weight as it is more than the Classic.

[paulw]

Originally Posted by thoer

I need to mention that that is our plan and that that could change to a 19 if the weight of the 2017 21' goes up significantly.....:

.... According to the samples on the real world weighs table (thanks Jon) the average loaded classic 21 weighs 4012 lbs (lightest was 3600)
...

HI Eric,
That 3600# 21 was our 2014 as delivered - all options & full propane, but no water or personal items aboard.... We usually run about 4300# total trailer weight these days..

[thoer]

Originally Posted by paulw

HI Eric,
That 3600# 21 was our 2014 as delivered - all options & full propane, but no water or personal items aboard.... We usually run about 4300# total trailer weight these days..

Paul, thanks for that info - that impacts the average and makes the recorded averages about 4092#