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Old 03-22-2014, 09:44 PM   #41
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Yes, I have a plan I want to work. The plan is not exact and I'm not so committed to it working out any particular way so much I will endanger myself and others. If I wear out a car, lesson learned, life goes on. If I wreck it, may be my last lesson. That's what I'm getting at.

Anyway, it's sounding like a 17 is more likely to be practical for me. So perhaps I should shut up on this 19 TV topic. But I would love suggestions for a safe 19 TV that are on the smaller side of realistic and would get decent mileage. Not a tall truck being ideal.
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:46 PM   #42
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I just scooped this from Frederick's Trailer Weights in the Real World thread on FiberglassRV.

I don't see ANY of these trailers weights that your Suburu could handle... based on the tongue weight, etc.

SIZE__________________AXLE___TONGUE__TOTAL
13__Escape_____________1780___240____2020
17__Escape___Plan B_____2340___320___2660
17__Escape___Plan B_____2500___340___2840
17__Escape___Plan B_____2560___320___2880
17__Escape___Plan B _____2560___380___2940
17__Escape___Plan B_____2500___500*__3000
19__Escape___Dual Axle__2670___460___3130
19__Escape___Dual Axle__2920___220___3140
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Old 03-22-2014, 09:54 PM   #43
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Hey Donna! Yeah, that chart was the link I posted earlier, but has not been moderator approved yet.

Thanks for trimming it to the relevant bits.
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Frederick is a friend of mine and he gives his weight table freely. It's just important to say who owns the work and where it came from. Since Frederick is a weigh master, you can believe the weights as being accurate.

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Old 03-22-2014, 10:02 PM   #45
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Scamps can have lower tongue weight as the axle is close to mid point. With that design it is quite possible to load the trailer with a tongue weight below the minimum safe 9% of trailer weight. Reace designs Escape with the axles further back, making it much harder to get to an unsafe minimum tongue weight. A tongue weight that is too low sets up very potentially dangerous towing situations.

That 19 with a 220# tongue weight seems strange - I would think it would be very hard to get the tongue that light.
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:06 PM   #46
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Hey Donna! Yeah, that chart was the link I posted earlier, but has not been moderator approved yet.

Thanks for trimming it to the relevant bits.
Not sure why the link didn't show up, but there has been no alert for us to deal with.
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:15 PM   #47
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And those are ready to hit the road, real world number right? Not dry, empty trailers?

Because other than hitch weight I don't see any reason why some of those could not be safely towed by an Outback. And it seem the prefered set up for Outback towing is with a better hitch than the factory option that only supports 200lbs.

Here's a Reese class 3 rated for 400/4000lbs and the 6 cylinder '05-'09 Outback is rated to 3000lbs towing with trailer brakes.

Part number #44581
Weight Carrying: 400/4,000 lbs. (TW/GTW)
Weight Distributing: 0 lbs. (TW/GTW)
Package Type: Bulk
Shipping Weight: 25 lbs.
Shipping Size: 34.25" L x 19.38" W x 10" H
UPC: 016118066975
I'd link to the Reese page, but don't want to wait for mods to approve that.

And I think there are other series 3s that support weight distribution as well.

Sounds to me like a well packed and weighed 17 is certainly doable? Or did I miss something?
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Not sure why the link didn't show up, but there has been no alert for us to deal with.
Strange, no worries I suppose. I'll try another link and see if it shows up.
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The Reese hitch I referenced.

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Hey, that link showed up fine!
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