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Old 03-23-2014, 07:11 PM   #61
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Except the tow rating for the 6 cylinder Outbacks, at least the 05-09 models is 3000lbs. (Same model in Europe is rated more like 3600lbs) The 200lb hitch rating is for the factory option hitch. There are better hitches (that are cheaper too) with higher ratings for that model. Like the Reese I pointed to in an earlier post.

I asked AAA about my insurance and tow ratings and they said they had no exact policy and if I wasn't breaking the law I'd be covered as far as they could tell as long as I had insurance for both the trailer and TV with them. I don't think the tow ratings are a legal limit in the US, Canada may be different and perhaps state/provincial laws vary? More information on this is welcome.
Specifically the Subaru 200 lb tongue rating is irrespective of the hitch whether factory or aftermarket. Its the load rating for the tongue that Subaru specify (not recommend) as a maximum based on the engineering design for the vehicle. Even the 3 L 6 cyl has a 200 lb tongue rating even though the max tow is 3000lb, and mostly the tongue weight will exceed 12% of the trailer axle weight. If you add an aftermarket hitch rated for 500 lb tongue and 5000 lb towing capacity it does not mean that the Subaru maximum ratings go out of the window. If you exceed the maximum ratings specified by the TV manufacturer and have an accident you would be liable and see how fast our insurance company would deny your claim as well as anyone else's involved. Often the manufactures ratings are born from the capability of the TV to brake the combined weight of tow and trailer in the event of failure of the electric brakes on the trailer.
You should never exceed the maximum combined gross weight rating of the tow vehicle i.e. the TV weight plus the trailer weight. If you do and have an accident then you "may" find yourself on the wrong side of the law as the combination should not have been on the road.
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:14 PM   #62
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Toyota's FJ Cruiser has a tow capacity of 5000 lbs (2011 model) and from my experience, is an excellent tow vehicle for the Escape 19'. Of course this is a niche market vehicle and is not everyone's first choice. I am very happy with mine.
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:17 PM   #63
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I'd suggest you contact a solicitor or what a lawyer is called in your area. The forum is not the best source for advice but merely opinions. The fact you are aware of the issues presents preconceived knowledge. This what trials are about.
Yep. Since I'll need to tow in Canada and use ICBC insurance at some point in the future, I will be carefully looking into the legal/insurance issues. I get the impression Canada is not as loosey goosey as the US on these issues. BC locals have also warned me of RV inspections from law enforcement on the way from Vancouver up to the Eastern mountains.

Seems from my googling around today, not exceeding tow ratings, max vehicle weight etc, sounds like it may be more than a good idea, but the law (in Canada at least).
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I towed my 19' with my FJ with the Andersen, without any issues. Have not tried it with the 21' yet.
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Old 03-23-2014, 07:25 PM   #65
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Specifically the Subaru 200 lb tongue rating is irrespective of the hitch whether factory or aftermarket. Its the load rating for the tongue that Subaru specify (not recommend) as a maximum based on the engineering design for the vehicle....
I certainly have no plans to exceed the CGVWR of any TV with the trailer on the tongue, etc.

Will need to research the legal and technical issues involved with the tongue weight. Seems the other weight limits can be complied with with a 17. Not sure why a company like Reese would rate a hitch higher than the factory if that wasn't safe or legal. Seems like that would set them up for some serious legal liability. Perhaps they have fine print stating the >hitch< is rated higher, but the car's factory rating is what is to be used.

Sure would help to talk to those reported to be towing a 17 with an Outback. See if they have looked into these issues in detail.
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You know what that commercial says "If you heard it onto internet, it must be true", NOT!!
or even better, the advice you receive on the internet is worth every penny you pay for it
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You know what that commercial says "If you heard it onto internet, it must be true", NOT!!
or even better, the advice you receive on the internet is worth every penny you pay for it
which is-0-!!!
I consider information on the internet a starting point, not a definitive answer. Sure helps to get various opinions and experiences from the internet. But you are right, much online info is suspect.
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Not that I was considering it anyway, but seems in BC exceeding GVWR or GAWR is expressly prohibited.

Still looking for details on hitch weight ratings and how that's affected by aftermarket "upgrades".

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/vehicle...PDF/MV3230.pdf

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/cvse/referen...82003)GVWR.pdf
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Not sure why a company like Reese would rate a hitch higher than the factory if that wasn't safe or legal
The auto manufacturer does not rate the aftermarket hitch. The hitch manufacturer does not rate the vehicle; they do not claim anything about the vehicle except that the hitch will mount on it. The hitch testing standards (VESA V-5 and SAE J684) do not involve the vehicle at all.

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Seems like that would set them up for some serious legal liability.
Why? The hitch manufacturer claims nothing about - and so accepts no liability for - the vehicle or towing setup.

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Perhaps they have fine print stating the >hitch< is rated higher, but the car's factory rating is what is to be used.
It's not fine print - there is only a clear hitch rating. Any assumption by a consumer or user that the hitch rating says anything about the vehicle to which it is attached would be that consumer/users error.
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There has been some discussion of applying European limits. I note that while European ratings for the weight of the trailer are higher than published here, European hitch weight limits are not higher, and would eliminate most Escapes from consideration for the Subarus mentioned.
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