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Old 10-19-2015, 09:08 PM   #11
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I towed an Escape 19 with the FJ Cruiser, so the Toyota 6 cyl is a nice match for the 19 and 17 Escapes.The 21' may be close to the limit though, The tongue weight is probably another 100 lbs more than the 19 and you would need air shocks for leveling.
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Old 10-19-2015, 10:16 PM   #12
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By comfortable we mean being able to climb Rocky Mountain roads without slowing below 50mph and running at 5000rpm. Living in New Mexico, we’re always driving in mountains. We spend a lot of time in the western national parks (both US and Canadian). Our home is at 7000 ft. elevation and accessed on a steep gravel road.
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Thanks very much for any input I receive.
I'm towing a '21 with my manual transmission, 2014 Tacoma V6, long bed, 4X4.

Going up from Denver to the tunnels (11,000') under Loveland Pass, I can maintain 55-60 mph at around 4000 rpm, except for the 6% grade at Georgetown where I slow to 40-45. Would I like more power? Sure, but it's not going to happen. But to make up for it, going down hill on the same road, I keep it in 3rd gear and rarely have to touch the brakes.

I would think the 17B would be significantly easier to pull.

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Old 10-19-2015, 10:17 PM   #13
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Tow Vehicle size and power

I'm very grateful for all your responses. This being my first post, I had no clue what to expect. Your knowledge base is amazing, especially for a novice like me. So far, your overwhelming choice is the Tacoma. Not surprising considering everything else I've read on this topic. I've not heard of anyone being unhappy towing with a Tacoma. Neither have I heard of anyone towing with a Tundra (or any other V8) say it's an overkill.

Also, I now know that I have a neighbor (almost) in Sandia Park with an Escape. Fran and Dave, thanks for the welcoming message.

Thanks again to all of you.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:00 AM   #14
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I'm very grateful for all your responses. This being my first post, I had no clue what to expect. Your knowledge base is amazing, especially for a novice like me. So far, your overwhelming choice is the Tacoma. Not surprising considering everything else I've read on this topic. I've not heard of anyone being unhappy towing with a Tacoma. Neither have I heard of anyone towing with a Tundra (or any other V8) say it's an overkill.

Also, I now know that I have a neighbor (almost) in Sandia Park with an Escape. Fran and Dave, thanks for the welcoming message.

Thanks again to all of you.
I tow my 19 with a 5.8 Ford F-250 . It is what I have and it is paid for . No payments , that is a lot of gas . Pat
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Old 10-20-2015, 07:31 AM   #15
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I just read in the November issue of Trailer Life about what is new in some tow vehicles. Seems GM has reintroduced the Colorado and the Canyon. They offer a 4-cylinder diesel that puts out 369# of torque, a hundred more than the Taco! Now that amount is what I would love to have. A friend of mine has a VW Touareg diesel that he tows his 25 foot Airstream which I am sure is much heavier than my 21 and he seems satisfied with the engine’s towing performance. As I recall the VW puts out somewhere around 400#s. But of course with VW's issues on performance programming, who knows what it was really putting out. And I have not seen the Canyon, ever, so I can’t pass judgment on its performance, reliability and comfort etc. Good luck with these thoughts to ponder.
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Old 10-20-2015, 08:43 AM   #16
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According to Escape, the 17b requires a 3500lb tow capacity for its tow vehicle. The Tacoma with a 6 cyl. is rated at that 3500 and gets 19-24 mpg. The Tundra carries a 6400lb tow capacity rating but only gets 15-19 mpg. Before looking at any model tug, you should research their tow capacities. Donno about those GM cars but GM hasn't been building very reliable trucks of late.
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Old 10-20-2015, 09:03 AM   #17
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The 2016 Tacoma with tow package is rated at 6500 - 6800 lbs (depending on model) according to the Toyota website. http://www.toyota.com/tacoma/feature...7128/7150/7182

I think tow packages are always a good idea if they are available.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:01 PM   #18
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It is going to depend very much on what else you may use your truck for.

The Tundra is the roomier of the two so could be potentially more comfortable long distance, it has potentially more payload and as close to a full size box as you can get in a 1/2 ton. Steep grades and high elevation even out somewhat the fuel penalty you may pay with a bigger truck, particularly hauling & towing.

I tend to use my F150 as my daily driver so it sees plenty of different duties and when I've needed the ability to "get the heck out of the way" - such as this past summer when I was getting squeezed near the end of a passing lane and running out of room - I have it in spades.

I chose an Escape trailer because I was interested in something more than simply adequate and it's great to be able to exercise those choices.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:46 PM   #19
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lancenadine.............Yours is the first post that gives a different point of view. You make some very good points. Thanks much. It seems like every day I flip-flop back and forth between the two trucks.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:59 PM   #20
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Kmk - I assume you have test driven them both? A lot is determined by how you and your wife like the driving feel of each truck. Another factor is how much you will be driving the truck, not towing. The Tacoma will get better everyday MPG which could be a factor if you will be using it a lot besides towing.
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